Irish Property Market chat II - read mod note post #1 before posting

Timing belt · 24-11-2022 02:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119913823#Comment_119913823

I’m not personally attacking you…I lost people I loved and think your comment is totally out of order and disgusting!!

24-11-2022 08:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119913985#Comment_119913985

I suspect it is more jimmy’s lack of understanding rather than nastiness. Strange that people have a problem with being told to look to other markets if they can’t afford to live where they want, but think it’s ok to let people suffer and die from Covid, so that elderly (empty nesters) die and free up some houses.

jimmybobbyschweiz · 24-11-2022 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914117#Comment_119914117

I have no problem telling people to look to other markets, in fact I would actively recommend people getting away from Ireland right now if you are renting as the government are trying to shaft you and use you to pay high rents and prop up the property market that badly wants to crash. For homeowners, I'd say to consider leaving now while you can, as SF and friends will be taking charge just when the economy is in the throes of a big decline in 2024 (following the slowdown of 2023 that won't be pretty).

It was a tongue in cheek response to the person who actually made the link between COVID and old people dying to free up houses in any event. But in reality I would be in favour, not in encouraging older people to stop fighting the grim reaper, but instead to downsize into more sustainable, suitable housing communities. It doesn't have to be such a big deal but, for example, setting up in a local area a gated estate of townhouses for older people in the area to consider moving to, with security, services, activities, transport on their doorstep, economies of scale with healthcare etc is really what we need to be doing. Given the cash the government has, I'm sure a scheme can be introduced for the OAPs that move here to be looked after for life if they can't pay or want to leave some inheritance.

timmyntc · 24-11-2022 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914117#Comment_119914117

The same callousness behind the opinion that essential workers like nurses, schoolteachers, gardai who cant afford to live anywhere near the capital can just go lump it and move somewhere else, is present in the idea that more death is good for prices. A total disregard for society as a whole, instead seeing housing purely as a speculative market commodity.

24-11-2022 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914612#Comment_119914612

It really isn’t, feeling that Covid should have been let rip and an opportunity was missed to let elderly people die to free up housing isn’t even in the same galaxy as thinking people should look to other markets if they can’t afford to live where they want. Arguing it is, means you join Jimmy in wanting people to die, so you can buy a house. Nice.

Villa05 · 24-11-2022 11:21AM

There has been a narrative around here for some time that inflation is the root cause of prices going to the sky recently. This podcast gives us a gentle reminder that that inflation is homegrown through planning, lobbying and poor standards and the output is developments that are not fit for purpose and very few would pay for

Most raw materials are below there prices before the war started. The price increases are a result of white collar capture and grab

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/calls-on-the-government-to-declare-a-housing-emergency

timmyntc · 24-11-2022 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914644#Comment_119914644

Nice strawmanning, but thats not whats being argued here.

Repeatedly in this thread, when people point out the societal dysfunction resulting from essential workers being prices out of a city that needs them (Dublin), you constantly retort with people should look to other markets, move with their feet etc. Its clear you see housing as just a commodity to be traded than an important societal need.

Covid killing people and making more houses available for sale is the same cold, calculated, speculators view of the market as nothing more than commodities to be traded.

24-11-2022 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914711#Comment_119914711

Whenever someone plays the “nice strawmanning” card, you know they are losing.

The poster literally posted that an opportunity was missed to let Covid rip to kill people so that houses would be freed up, and you posted that it is similar to me advising people to look to other markets, how is that me “strawmanning”? You posted it.

Just to be clear, my viewpoint is that the dysfunction you refer to will take years, possibly decades to resolve. If people want to wait around for that period of time to own a house, so be it, but they will look back at 10 years of paying rent and think they wasted an opportunity to move elsewhere. Despite what you think, not being able to afford to buy where you want isn’t a new phenomenon.

timmyntc · 24-11-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914815#Comment_119914815

There is a fundamental difference between an individual not being able to buy where they want, and essential workers not being able to buy where society needs them to live.

If gardai, teachers, nurses and more cannot afford to live and work in Dublin, its a crisis situation. For the individual its grand, they can buy somewhere else and probably work somewhere else. For the Greater dublin area it is a crisis of staffing and retention for these roles, and significantly impacts on required services. Shrugging shoulders and just saying "yeah well youll be a long while waiting for house prices to drop" is profoundly ignorant of the crises triggered by our current housing crisis.

Villa05 · 24-11-2022 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914117#Comment_119914117

I'm all for people looking to other markets if they can't afford to buy. The issue is that after buying comes renting which is up to twice the cost. Moving further away is damaging to the person, family, economy, environment and leads to increased supply in the wrong areas.

Even you are fully aware of how this ends, thats why I encourage my children to pick a trade/profession that is highly valued internationally of which there are many so that they can escape the bill for this stupidity.

I acknowledge that this system is very good for you assets and maybe that's what it's all about, but I'd be cautious, I can't think of any country or species that thrived by putting there knee on the neck of there children.

Jonnyc135 · 24-11-2022 11:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914815#Comment_119914815

You seem to only ever care about "winning" not the greater good for our Ireland.

Charlie sheen was also obsessed with "winning" that didn't get him that far, bar a bad dose of HIV.

24-11-2022 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914882#Comment_119914882

Two posters think it’s ok to wish people died from Covid, now you link an actor with HIV to the discussion , I bet you have no idea how strange that is.

Jonnyc135 · 24-11-2022 12:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119914988#Comment_119914988

You will find he is famous for his catchphrase of "winning" and how he is "winning at life" and that was all he cared about at the detriment of everyone else. I was merely implying a resemblance between you and him as in the previous quote all you seem to care about is winning an argument not the greater good of our country.

Then I stated that "winning" didn't get Charlie that far after all, as he ended up becoming HIV positive, then he kept it a secret whilst still sleeping with women unknown of his disease and infecting them because all he cared about was "winning" and to quote Fr Fintan Stack "I had my fun and that's all that matters".

L1011 · 24-11-2022 12:42PM

OK, this is now wildly off topic and can be dropped.

MacronvFrugals · 25-11-2022 02:48PM

Was always going to happen sooner or later but...

https://twitter.com/CWeston_Indo/status/1596135265503875072?s=20&t=bvLSHK-CNkGBQAmbex5HeQ

covidcustomer · 25-11-2022 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119910895#Comment_119910895

That's exactly it, they can't stand over the work that's been done so each property has to be stripped back to original spec.

dontmindme · 26-11-2022 07:37PM

How are we now faced with this colossal bill to rectify all the building issues that have arisen with many apartment buildings etc. that were built in the tiger era and since. If these developments are found to not be in compliance with regulation of the time, surely criminal proceedings should be forthcoming, and for any of the developers still in business to be sued?

PommieBast · 27-11-2022 05:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119925524#Comment_119925524

I doubt any of them are still around. Suspect even the solvent ones will have been asset-stripped and liquidated in order to avoid liabilities.

nullzero · 27-11-2022 06:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119928081#Comment_119928081

They tend to set up companies that exist to build each development which is wound up afterwards.

This is a serious issue in this country, no accountability for developers at all, that's why the tax payer is carrying the can for the likes of the pyrite issue.

As usual with anything connected to property in Ireland, there's no appetite to regulate because out politicians are compromised and aren't ever going to leave themselves open to personal losses.

enricoh · 28-11-2022 10:43PM

Mcverry calling for eviction ban to be extended, he has a good ear in the government. 2 or 3 years should see Sinn Fein holding the reins by then. And they wonder why landlords are legging it! -

The Irish Times: Eviction ban should be extended for two to three years, says Fr Peter McVerry.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/11/27/eviction-ban-should-be-extended-for-two-to-three-years-says-fr-peter-mcverry/

IWW2900 · 28-11-2022 11:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933236#Comment_119933236

This just gets funnier and funnier. Government created this mess by over regulating and over taxing landlords and refusing to get their act together in moving new housing projects forward.

Now, this fool pushing for a 3 year eviction ban. Whats next in the road to communism😂.

jimmybobbyschweiz · 29-11-2022 11:50AM

Two different articles showing the extremely damaging broader impacts to society as a result of high rents and house prices with a lack of supply.

Dublin is experiencing a drought of substitute teachers available on standby for schools, predominantly down to the housing crisis in Dublin in particular. It is not hyperbolic to say that the housing crisis is hampering our children's education and consequently their future.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/1122/1337517-education-unions-housing/

America junior (Ireland) trying to hoover up cheaper, Spanish labour to do crap jobs but not being transparent with how utterly devastating the housing crisis is. Adults coming here for a better life, looking to work and build lives, being forced to live in hostels and sleep in their work or even in cars. Who cares though, they are only immigrants (is the view of those who don't accept house prices and rents should reduce materially while supply increases dramatically).

https://www.thejournal.ie/housing-ireland-spanish-workers-hostels-5931955-Nov2022/

mcsean2163 · 30-11-2022 11:39AM

supply dropping substantially

Myhome

16 Nov --> 16620

30 Nov --> 15609

<<face palm>>

RichardAnd · 30-11-2022 12:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938766#Comment_119938766

Out of interest (forgive me is this has been posted before) is there any record of how many houses were for sale month by month in 2019 before the lockdowns urinated in the cornflakes?

growleaves · 30-11-2022 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934524#Comment_119934524

Two acquaintances of mine going back to their home countries after the house they were renting rooms in is being sold. Both worked for a MNC.

Finnish lady going back to Finland.

Croatian man going back to Croatia. A few months ago he got punched in the face with no warning in the middle of Temple Bar by a scrote who also grabbed his friend's cigarettes. Welcome to Ireland