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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    There seems to be some assumption that Europe has everything perfect. Far from it.

    I've no idea how these light controlled junctions work in practice (bus islands) and I don't know anyone from the visually impaired community, but why is it so hard to contemplate that this infrastructure genuinely makes their lives easier?

    Also, 14 poles sounds like major overkill 😂 Any pics?!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    "There seems to be some assumption that Europe has everything perfect. Far from it."

    Places like Amsterdam and Copenhagen are vastly ahead of us in terms of urban design. It isn't even close. Of course the US and Americas are FAR worse. Maybe somewhere like Japan does some things better, but it is a very different culture and on a totally different scale to mid sized European cities.

    "I've no idea how these light controlled junctions work in practice (bus islands) and I don't know anyone from the visually impaired community, but why is it so hard to contemplate that this infrastructure genuinely makes their lives easier?"

    Because it is simply unnecessary. If a person is crossing the cycle path, cyclists will simply stop, just like a car on an uncontrolled zebra crossing. It actually doesn't matter if the person is visually impaired or not.

    But the problem is you are focusing on an area that relatively speaking is of very little danger to a person who is visually impaird, when the rest of the city is terribly designed for them and vastly more dangerous.

    If you want to make the city safer for them and other pedestrians, then frankly we should be putting automatic red light cameras on every junction and issuing automatic fines and penalty points for red light jumping cars. Go up to Grace Park Road, where there is a school for visually impaired people and you can watch cars blow through red lights at the junctions there almost running down folks daily. Hell one day I watched a car mount the footpath and drive a distance along it to get around some traffic in front of this school! Complete madness.

    Less cars and more people cycling and walking and more mixed use actually makes the urban environment safer and easier to use for people with disabilities.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because it is simply unnecessary. If a person is crossing the cycle path, cyclists will simply stop, just like a car on an uncontrolled zebra crossing. It actually doesn't matter if the person is visually impaired or not.

    I actually laughed when i read this, cyclists sometimes dont even stop at pedestrian crossings, I regularly have to jump out of their way. Sometimes they go around the pedestrian but its not unusual for pedestrian to have to run to avoid speeding cyclist.

    Many of the new cycling lanes have kerbs that elderly people have to climb over to get to the footpath, I saw one elderly man fall backwards into traffic recently as he fell backwards, luckily he wasnt hit by a car. They cyclists speed down these cycle paths and when challenged and I do it regularly, I am told this is a cycle path and you shouldnt be on it.

    Well until I can somehow fly over the cycle path to get to the footpath I have to actually be on the cycle lane.

    I have full vision so I will see the cyclist bearing down on me, the blind person wont until its too late.

    Id say if you asked visually impaired people which category of road user causes them most difficulty I would say they would say cyclists, hence their request that lights be put on this cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Yeah I walk/cycle/drive that multiple times a day, there's not enough traffic coming in and out of the apartments to warrant a signal to stop traffic for cars, and pedestrians crossing the road could have been managed with zebra crossings. I've 5 year old kids and feel that's overkill for saafety.


    Speaking of fetish for poles, this week they've started planting probably a hundred of these 3 ft poles every few meters along side of the road. Again, it's not solving any problem that I see. There's some poor parking at school collections, but nothing that warrants hundreds of poles.

    See image here, left side of the road has the poles I'm talking about, right side had a nice low fence, now has the same poles as other side of the road https://goo.gl/maps/cbYeuEjBSSnBJadY8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    that's such bullsh*t. You have to run to get out of the way of cyclists. Do you think the cyclist doesn't come off bad when they hit things or something? Or they're just going to knock you out of the way like a skittle?

    A man fell over a kerb, cool story. There were kerbs all over the city before a few segregated cycle lanes were put in.

    Cyclists cause visually impaired people the most difficulty... f**king lol. There's only one thing killing and maiming people on our roads and footpaths, it isn't cyclists. All footpaths in Dublin are covered in illegally parked cars. But yes cyclists are the problem.



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  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A full grown adult male travelling at speed is going to cause me a lot of injury hence I will move out of his way. As I said luckily I am not blind but if I was I would be campaigning for lights on the Fairview cycle lane too.

    The blind community felt cyclists were causing them so much difficulty they had to mobilise themselves to demand this safety measure be installed.

    You have already admitted you go through red lights all the time so your behaviour is causing difficulty for other road users. How does the blind person know its you who doesnt stop at red lights coming or another cyclist who does obey the rules.

    And do you really have to use coarse aggressive language in every post, can you not see its this incivility here and in your cycling behaviour that puts people off cycling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you're a troll, i can't believe people are engaging with you still



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'm now convinced that you are Damian Duggan who used to own the jewellers in Fairview that had to close because a cycle lane would be opening and your customers weren't going to be able to park illegally and run across the six lane road any more? I think you now sit there resentful of people on two wheels and make spend your time making up crap to troll internet users with.

    But maybe I'm mistaken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    pretty sure you can still park right outside that jewelers and it hasn't been affected at all yet



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  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This post isnt really worth responding to.More entitled male cyclist bullying,shut others up by all means possible.

    I am not the person you referred to, its possible for more than one person to disagree with you, I know you find this impossible to believe as you live in an echo chamber inhabited only by your fellow male cyclists.

    As far as I remember there was legal parking opposite Duggan jewellers in Fairview.(on the park side)

    In any event that jewllers shop was there for decades so the owner had as much right to express his opinion as others cycling through twice a day.

    And I dont think you should be sneering at any named individual,that jeweller provided years of excellent service to the people of Fairview and any loss of small independent retailers is a pity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The "male" thing is so weird lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The building just recently went sale agreed as well.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    That didn't stop the bullshit discussion about it though with him attributing the closure principally on the works which hadn't even started at that point.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The vast vast majority of cyclists are male and its the entitled behaviour that they display that is a major deterrent to other demographics taking up cycling.

    Your language here for example, so aggressive, I suspect you cycle very aggressively too and if I was an unconfident cyclist you would put me off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well good riddance to him. Fairview is going to look so much better when this is all finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    His opinions weren't really based in reality to be honest. So they don't carry the same weight. For years he spoke out against improvements in the area, as well as opposing infrastructure work on projects like the new water main. All just to serve his own selfish interests. Good thing he didnt get his way, as he's gone now anyway.

    Similar thing happened with the Luas around Inchicore I believe. Business owners got up in arms about it. The route was changed as a result. Now the businesses are gone, and the locals don't have access to the Luas, close to their homes.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a bit nasty to drag him into this discussion.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I would recommend reading up on why it actually is that more men cycle and why more women and girls do not. I think it might be good if you informed yourself better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭DoraDelite


    What percentage is this vast vast majority? I assume you have figures to hand?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Lads stop engaging this troll



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My own eyes mostly,see ten cyclists invariably all will be male,maybe one out of ten female.

    I could record usage of any cycle lane near me which will bear out what I am saying but you can surely use your own eyes.

    Go on any discussion as here for example, all male contributors bar a handful of females.

    Look at any twitter post about cycling, invariably men posting, specifically the ones showing videos they have recorded, invariably recorded and put online by men.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dont like a challenge to your narrative,engage in childish name calling, how very mature of you.

    And "Lads" laughing out loud, no opinion welcome unless you are one of the lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭DoraDelite


    So that's a no then, thought so. CSO stats would contradict your "own eyes"

    As a female cyclist, with my eyes, there are plenty of women cycling. Loads in particular on safe segregated routes that I use.

    Also Twitter is a subset of the real world, not everyone is on it nor do they want to engage with people who have a slim grasp of facts and data. More power to those that do, they have more patience than I would.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    well, thats good for you.

    I presume you could ask the CSO to confirm the figures for you too.

    I dont set much store by CSO figures to be honest, I know someone who worked as a census enumerator and he said up to fifteen non nationals were living in houses he called too and no one would answer the door.

    So how we can correctly count numbers living here is difficult never mind counting people on bikes.

    Cycling is very male dominated, I dont think anyone realistically would argue with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Not quite as nasty as making up stories about dead children



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭DoraDelite


    And this reply is exactly why a lot of people don't engage. When it's pointed out that your assertion is incorrect, you just go back to a reworded reply with the same narrative. You don't want to hear anything different to your own view of cycling.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Please do not repeat this again, its the lowest of the low, I have never made up stories about any dead children, you are repulsive.



  • Posts: 92 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You pointed out your experience of cycling is different to mine and you said the CSO would back up your assertion that lots of women cycle.

    I said I dont set much store by CSO statistics based on a renumerators experience.

    In my experience as a regular cyclist I maintain the vast majority of cyclists are male.

    About one in ten is female if that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    My partner's a woman, and she cyclist to work, and will be availing of this new route when we move home next year as we'll be living right along it. I noticed way more female cyclists in Dublin during covid of all ages, hope it's still happening.



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