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Classic tax

  • 14-11-2022 11:16pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭


    Hi Folks,

    my beloved BMW turns 30 next April, what do I need to do in order to get vintage tax on it? My current tax is due for renewal end of January 23’


    cheers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,655 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Get form RF 111 and go into local tax office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭adcrawley


    You should be able to tax it at the beginning of the year that the car turns 30, I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Not in my experience,My local Tax office won't tax anything vintage until the exact 30th year date of original registration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,655 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Same here.

    It's working out ok for the OP though.

    He can tax for 3 months and be good to go on May 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭w124man


    Exactly! I've done that on three cars. You'll get all sorts of answers to this subject.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭JabbaTheHut


    It seems dependant on who you meet at the tax office. They flat out refused me a couple of years ago, despite it being on their own county council website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I've swapped over to the vintage tax when it's 30 years old at the beginning of the year even though the car was registered till june,it really depends on the tax office. I just bring the logbook in and they'll do the rest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭w124man


    Exactly. I usually just bring in the logbook, NCT and insurance, play dumb and smile!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭9935452


    Date of registration or date of manufacture.

    Afaik its date of manufacture.

    I have a tractor tbat was sold new and registered in 1990 but was manufactured in 1985. It was taxed vintage since 2015



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    My local tax office goes by date of registration.

    Case in point,a friend of mine got his 1992 car recommissioned this year.

    Passed the NCT in September,went to Tax it only to be refused Vintage Tax because the car was registered in December.

    It's frustrating to say the least.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Manufacture date or registration date are mentioned nowhere in the statutes - it just says 30 years of age. However the text in the statute for getting a ZV plate based on being vintage refers to 30 years since manufacture date - which is clearly the intention for the motor tax. Otherwise you could switch to ZV plates as a vintage car, but be stuck on full fat tax under the CC system.

    Some county councils have clearly stated manufacture date on the qualification criteria on their websites - have never seen one actually state registration date.

    Ive never had an issue changing the status to vintage based on the manufacture date - but definitely seems there are some council employees who are determined to make life difficult in certain offices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭zg3409


    If you have proof of an earlier manufacture date than registration date then it could be used. Some have got proof of this from bmw based on chassis number or vin, but in the end it depends on the person in the local tax office as it varies county by county and person to person. Take a print out from councils own website if it says date of manufacture as this might help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    My e36 is 30 in August '24. Sometimes I think we can overthink these things (far more than the amount of thinking that any motor tax office staff are going to do) So I plan to swan in the first week of January with a crisp €50 note and look for a years vintage tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭w124man


    You'll need a crisp €56 note!! When you do swan in act all innocent and smiley and ask them for their help/advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭maxamillius


    Tax office in Dublin is all done by post, my car is officially registered in April but I’m sending in forms and log book next week, will report back…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Redriddick


    I went in and asked in my local tax office. Its manufacture date, it also changed the past few years where regardless of date during year you get the 56 rat from 1st of January if you want. Also mine is a 94 plate but I have a letter from the manufacturer stating it was July 1993.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭w124man


    Where is your local tax office?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭maxamillius


    I sent mine into the Dublin office last week, will let you know how I get on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,655 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭maxamillius


    All sorted with Tax folks, 56 euro for the year, great stuff!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭doh777


    My daily runner is turning 30 next year. To avail of the classic tax does it need to be regarded as a classic car? As in with classic insurance and not your primary car?

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,655 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Once it is 30 years old it qualifies for the Vintage Tax €56 p.a.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,586 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    You have to request the change of class, afaik, it doesn't happen automatically.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,423 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Report back on that one, my e36 is December '28, wouldn't mind shaving off a year wait. Only place it'll be going between now and then is the legal tax free drive to the NCT center.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭doh777


    Thanks for all replies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Few threads on this before. Some posters have managed to get it changed based on date of manufacture rather than date of first registration. Depends on the County Council that you are dealing with. Worth a call to your motor tax office to find out.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭_ptashek_


    I'm in this boat soon, so will report how I got on.

    Does anyone know if I can get a refund of the old tax rate paid, if my current tax disk expires AFTER I switch to vintage class?

    My 1993, based on mfg. date turns vintage on June 4th. It's paid up on standard rate until July 30th though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭w124man


    As far as I know you can only get a road tax rebate if the car is scrapped or exported and then its in 3 month increments



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    My Pajero turned 30 this year and tax renewal at the end of May.

    I went into the local motor Tax office last week with log book & insurance cert and 'enquired' about the procedure.

    The nice ladies behind the counter explained all and even filled out the necessary form (RF111 I think), paid the 56 notes and walked out with the disc. Job done.

    No mention of date of manufacture or any other dates. Reg'd in 1993, tis now 2023, 30 years old.


    They kept the registration cert and a new one will come by post with the new classification.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Can you post a pic of your Pajero. I always liked them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Oooh, thats nice I like that.😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭zg3409


    So I am going through the same process in Dublin and it can vary by region or person on the day.


    Officially it's any time in the year of it being 30 years old. Mine is December but eligible for 30 years any time preceding year.

    You need to fill in form rf111, include insurance details, include log book, credit card details if posting, fill in the period you want the tax, beware of back tax owing, no off the road etc. You may need to include old tax disc. You do not need to fill in every section of form but don't forget signature and insurance sections.

    If you want to go in person you first need to ring Dublin helpline and hold for 20 minutes...Then if you insist they give you an appointment to go in. On arriving at the building signs everywhere not open to public. I rang one intercom, said go around corner and down the road to side door and press intercom again. They check your name versus those they are expecting. Then they let you in. There are no real signs to direct you.

    Make sure you have everything and ideally have the form pre-printed and filled up with blank spares. They had no forms in English when I was there! Person on counter was non Irish and struggled to use the phone to call supervisor. Be sure to have insurance disc with not broker but actual insurer and it needs to have reg of car, log book, money, old tax disc, etc. There is a high chance of issues or confusion so allow for this.

    At 30 years you also only need to nct every 2 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Paid the full years tax on my E36 today - 1994 registration, but Sep 1993 manufacture date - so sent off the forms with an email from BMW stating manufacture date and zero hassle from Dublin City council changing it over.




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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,600 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Who did you contact in BMW to get those details? Wouldn't mind going a year earlier for mine (rather than €1600 a year!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Lol at going from robbery rates like e1809 or e1494 down to as good as free motor tax...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Actually contacted both BMW Ireland and the BMW classic group at the same time - they both came back to me within the hour. BMW classic had a bit more detail in their mail. Just need to send them the VIN.

    You can get the build date from some of the BMW VIN decoders, but wanted an email stating it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Nice to see the Council take a pragmatic approach on this. Better to get €56 now than nothing for another 6/9 months.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,655 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It is nice to see DCC giving the classic owners a break.

    According to previous poster some other councils are not as accommodating and make people wait until the anniversary of registration.

    What is really needed is a memo to all councils outlining the correct procedure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    That’s what I had with Meath Co Co. Car was manufactured in Feb but not registered til August so I had to wait a few years ago.

    The amount of cars 25 - 30 still taxed is minuscule too. So it’s not like there will be tidal waves of ‘tax dodging’ going on.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Yeah agreed - statute for qualification for ZV plates states 30 years since manufacture, so it’s clearly intended to be applicable from that anniversary for tax as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Keliuss


    Wow, this is great news, if I'm reading it correctly. My BMW was first registered Jan 1995 but was manufactured Dec 1994. Looks like DCC will allow vintage status from next month then. Pity I paid the full fat tax until May 2024.

    Have I got this right?

    Keliuss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    No, you have that wrong from my reading of it. If you're basing the changeover on manufacture date - then its eligible from Dec 2024 for vintage status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Keliuss


    I was basing my assumption on zg3409 comment above:

    "So I am going through the same process in Dublin and it can vary by region or person on the day.

    Officially it's any time in the year of it being 30 years old."


    Based on date of manuf. mine is 30 years old in 2024.


    Keliuss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭kdevitt


    Some councils will change a 1994 reg car over to vintage anytime in the year it turns 30 - so from Jan 2024. For the vast majority of people - their car is manufactured in the same year as its first registered so it makes no difference

    Have never heard of anyone changing a car over so far in advance of the 30 year anniversary of manufacture (where manufacture and reg years are different)

    From having spent way too long reading the various statues involving this - I can assure you the only official language specifies 30 years of age - it’s doesn’t specify reg or manufacture dates. . The ZV plate qualifying language does mention that cars are eligible for vintage plates once 30 years from manufacture have passed, so it’s fair to assume the same logic applies to qualifying for vintage tax

    Anyway, send the forms off - worst thing they can do is send them all back to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Dylancorco


    My car is a February 94, I have just sent off my logbook and RF111 to Shannon.


    I know it’s only a month away from February but I am eager to get the car taxed as soon as possible, so hopefully I can get it taxed this week.


    apparently, in my local tax office they are not aware that it’s in fact the year and think it narrows down to the registration month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭alo1587


    Mine is October 1994.Sent mine off too, waiting on news. Manufacturing date is 1994 on book, no month or day, just 1994. Very annoying if some county councils are going on year and others on date of first reg.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Dylancorco


    Good news, I got the tax a month early 👍


    the RF111 came back to my house stalpled to my log book with a letter from my County council saying i didn’t put money in the envelope and that I hadn’t my insurance details filled in


    reason I hadn’t them filled out was because I thought they were just going to change the particulars of the car and I was just going to tax it online.

    So I just went into the tax office and they taxed it no issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭alo1587


    Great stuff, may I ask what county tax office you used?



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