Ghislaine Maxwell trial

some were under 18 so minors. she could have faced 65 years. she got off lightly.

Epstein/Maxwell seemed to be the main organisers for the girls...for themselves and available to others if required/requested ...they owned the houses,islands,planes where all this was to happen...they were in control..the punters/guests may have took advantage but that's temptation for you...

It would have to proved that they were running a type of brothel set up for profit to pursue that action

First and foremost it was for Epstein's own desires that he trafficked these girls as he seemed to own/lease property all over the world..it's not a crime to hold parties and invite guests.

Epstein was always in control of what the girls did with the guests at these parties it seemed....with a view to potentially blackmail them for favours under the guise of a good time for the guests unbeknown to them the potential consequences but that's the choice they took if they availed of easiness of the girls available and believing Epstein/Maxwell were organising/doing favours for all of them for their elite companionship

The black book and any other evidence of those attending his parties at his houses,his island, flying in the jet should be put out there in the worldwide media ...

Was Epstein’s called the ‘Live forever’ ?

If it went to trial.... It could expose prince Andrew with sleeping with lots of young women by being in the Epstein/Maxwell environment which he may have well did.... so I suppose this was limitation damage keeping it to maybe just 1

Andrew has never denied he was in all of Epstein/Maxwell houses,islands.... you'd have to question his need to be there seemingly on a nearly constant basis as being a UK envoy he would have access to the best hotels already paid for...it certainly didn't seem he took his envoy role too seriously but jetting off away to the usa thanks to that envoy role... gave him more freedom in the US than the UK he may have been thinking.

If you listen to Duffray in the Netflix documentary, you'll have absolutely no doubt that she was a victim. The fact that she was paid by Epstein, as were many other girls does not make her a willing participant. He chose girls from dysfunctional families who absolutely needed money, and had no other reasonable option to earn money. Many of them were homeless, not living in a stable family home, not educated enough to know when they could safely say no. 

Dershowitz seems happy that her allegations were made in good faith. He's not going after her for costs.

She's no more a willing participant than the two Blackrock boys who were abused by the priest who gave them a computer for the family home. It's just grooming of underage kids for sex.

I do believe this latest admission throws a big shadow over anything she might say- for all we know she bedded a Prince Andrew lookalike and was told this is Prince Andrew

Wow what are the chances Epstein was friends with Andrew and an Andrew lookalike.

Amazing he didn't go with that story before he handed over millions he didn't have to a woman he swore he never met.

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Glib comment about a girl who was groomed, trafficked and raped? 😕

More like a hilariously desperate attempt to suggest the nounce is innocent.

You mean this

I have expressed my reservations about Roberts elsewhere in this thread- I never believed that she was the “victim” she wished to be portrayed as

Why have you victim in quotes?

She was groomed and trafficked at 15.

Your challenge was about Andrew not Roberts and I answered that -you’re clearly not happy that I agree that Andrew likely had sex with Roberts on the balance of probabilities and are trying to bark up a different tree now.

You mean sexually abused her on multiple occasions? She was a groomed and trafficked minor.

So not a "victim" but a victim and not as you said a "willing participant", she was a groomed and trafficked child who was serially raped or as she described it "passed around like a platter of fruit".

Correct?

Tell me, do you think it’s right that a man’s life could be wrecked by someone publically claiming she was forced to have sex with someone and later turns around, after getting a substantial million dollar payout from another person she accused, and says actually no, I’m mistaken

Sounds to me given the tone and low key nature of the dropping of the suit, there was some sort of settlement

Dershowitz is actually a man of means, he wouldn't have to borrow it off his Mummy.

I'm giving a measured opinion, it's not like I suggested he was a body double.

Also what agenda am I trying to suit?

I assume we are both on the same page that Maxwell, Epstein and their rapist associates were abhorrent individuals who wrecked so many victims not "victims" lives?

Correct?

The Andrew situation happened in England first where it was legal

Pretty sure precuring and trafficking minors and coercing to them to be sexually abused is very much not legal in England.

It weren't me, guv'nor. It were the bloke in the blue jumper, honest