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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Is that rust a band or is it a weld. I would have presumed that the flue is going down over a collor that is fitted to the stove. Dose the cover lift off the stove.

    Are you trying to replace the stove or the steel plate.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 SMacBloscaidh


    Hi


    I have a Hamco Ree stove and the top vent is jammed. There is no movement in the lever at all. Does anyone know how i can get access to free it or see what the issue is?



    Thanks

    Stephen



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭slystallone


    This is the view under the cover. Do you reckon the flue is held in place with something or just shoved in really good. The Flue is not lifting when I try.




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Is that the original collar on the stove. They may have attached the collar to the flue ( welder it) and then welded the whole lot to the stove. I would not think that the collar is a standard flue collar. Usually there would be fire cement sealing it.

    What is you end term plan for this project. Is it to replace the stove or to get rid of the steel plate on the ceiling or both.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭slystallone


    I am not sure if it is original collar as have been involved in its installation. My plan now is to find out how far up the Flue goes and find out what is above it and then rectify anything that needs sorting



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Has anybody mounted a Geocast beam onto plasterboard? Do I need to find a stud to hang it? Has anybody any instructions or even photos of the brackets. I can't find any useful instructions online, they only have a diagram to show to keep out of the line of sight of the stove: https://www.capitalfireplaces.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/GEOCAST-BEAM-INSTRUCTIONS.pdf

    I can't find useful info. Have contacted a couple of vendors but maybe somebody here has experience. I am new enough to DIY, I have a stud finder but so far have only used to locate electrical wires and have just been hanging light shelves off the plasterboard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    Hi. what make of insert stove would you recommend. 5kw 1k budget ? I wanted the waterford stanley cara, but its 6.5kw. Too hot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Smartass reply: this is why they invented fireplaces.

    Non smartass reply: you need something decorative that allows thermal expansion while being fixed to the back wall. It will cover up a multitude of sins. There are a huuuuuge range of looks and materials available.



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Forge83


    1k for just the stove? Or 1k for stove, pipe and fitting?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    I was thinking 1500 all in. I am not going to line the flue. So it will be a reducer for the clay pit



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  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Forge83


    You will get a 5kw Henley Apollo or equivalent for around €750. Flue adaptor kit approx €150. So materials will be easily doable under 1k. However price on installation can vary massively from county to county.



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭slystallone


    Would a liner then typically be attached to top of stove pipe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Generally stainless steel either a straight pipe or a flexi.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Forge83


    Flexi should never be attached directly to a stove. A minimum of 500mm solid pipe either stainless or vitreous is advised before attaching to Flexi.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There is pipe leaving the stove if you go back two pages on this thread you will see where we started. He has a pipe stuck solid to a Stove that goes directly into a chimney and he trying to do a job on it

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Thou


    Looking for advice re: free standing boiler stove would a 21kw be too big for a 4 bed bungalow 10 rads, 3 of them being doubles. Living room/kitchen is roughly 14 ft x 17 ft, would stove be too big for that room? Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciated, thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 clm123


    Hi, I have an old Nestor Martin wood burning stove. Would anybody be able to tel me how I can identify the model and kw of the stove. I can find a ten digit number it the ash door but that is all. Any help greatly appreciated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Pierrette


    Hi all,

    I removed an old open fireplace yesterday. I'm now looking at a big hole in the wall. 480mm wide. What would my options be to get a stove installed.

    I like the aesthetic of the oisin Stanley however my opening wouldn't be big enough for a stand alone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 zigzag89


    I’m looking into stoves at the moment and was also considering both of these. Did you go with one of them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    More stupid question(s). I have a wooden fireplace and a gas fire installed.

    Can I

    (a) get rid of the gas fire and just leave an open fire

    (b) install a stove (cassette) or do I need to replace the wood fireplace, the granite hearth as well.

    I have seen stoves installed where there looks like bricks in the Chamber. Some of these look very fake. Is there recommendations for real choices.

    How much am I looking at (ballpark) for this work? Or can anyone recommend a specialist who can come out and give me options? The gas fire is absolutely useless and its time to get it out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Wooden fire surrounds warp and crack because of the heat of stoves. Open fires are too inefficient to use nowadays.

    A lot will depend on the flue used for the gas fire at a guess it will need replacing as many flues used for gas fires are unsuitable for stoves. It ma be as well that the gas fire was just put in the old clay flue.

    Cost depends on many thing. How much you can do yourself. Is it a two story or a bungalow. How expensive a stove you want and how big. Lately U have seen stoves that were probably 7-800 last year are now gone to 1k.

    If you can find a suitable stove for 500 other materials will cost 500ish labour will be around a thousand depending on who you get

    If you go to a stove shop expect to pay 3k+ in total

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,504 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    I am looking at removing my old backboiler with a door fitted and replacing it with a Henley Achill 17kw inset stove.

    I have clay flue that seems to be in good order. Some say it will be perfect to hook the Henley to this, others are saying I need to get a flue liner.

    Also, the BB fitted at the moment is an old firebird boiler. ( not the supreme ) should I see a big difference in heat and fuel consumption?

    What's the thoughts on this?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Thank you very much for the very comprehensive advice. It can be a minefield to know where to start.

    I won’t be able to do any of it myself so will be going to Stove shop/supplier.

    if anyone has any recommendations they have used for suppliers please let me know by pm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A back boiler is only 20-30% efficient, even with a door it will probably be in the low 50's, efficiency of a stove is 70%+ some run as high as 85%.

    The advantage of replacing the flue is that it increases the efficiency of the stove. You are heating a 5'' diameter flue rather than an 8'' diameter clay flue.

    If it a bungalow you would nearly do it yourself. If you put on a flue you are also insulating that flue with vermiculite.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A lot of people will work on a bungalow roof as it's usually not as steep as a 2story and it much easier to work off that height with a bit if scaffolding

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Just giving some feedback on this. Visited a Heating supplier today and asked the same questions.

    They said I would need to replace the Fireplace/Hearth (mine is one piece) and Back panel - not sure if that is the name.

    I think the stove they were quoting was a Stovax (insert)

    The quote was in the region of €6.5k. The one with the chamber etc is in the region of €10K. The finish on the walls would be left ready to paint, but any changes to skirting boards/wood floor would have to be done by me.

    Their recommendation was to install a more efficient gas fire (Gazco) which would leave everything as is - cost in the region of €2,500.

    Thought that was a bit mad.

    No stove or Gas Fire for me!



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,176 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I got a woodpellet stove installed in a holiday home two years ago. Stove was 2.2k. flue liner pipes, angles and chimney flue hood cost 3-400 as well as a couple bags of vermiculite. I also bought some tiles another 200.

    Lad doing the fitting cost 750 euro and he had a second matching black granite hearth. He also supplied lintels, corner beading, a sheet of fireproof plaster board, bonding and hardwall. He had a labourer with him and he tiled and skimmed it everything from start to finish in the eight hours.

    It was done in about 8 hours. How much was the stove by itself.

    The Hearth and sorround are always two parts. The back concrete/ clay back is always removed. Hardest part is deciding what you will do around the insert

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Stove was about 2.2K - but needed fireplace, hearth, and other bits, fireplace was nearly 2K, so all in 6.5K.

    The gas inset option was 2.5K leaving everything as is. (4Kw output)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I identified my Nestor Martin by doing an image search on Google and went through them all until I found one that looked like mine.



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