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Brazilian Presidential Election - Croke Park

  • 30-10-2022 08:56PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,812 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I noted today that Croke Park was being used for the Brazilian diaspora here to vote in their presidential election.

    im just wondering ..

    if that on previous occasions has there has ever been a facilitation in a ‘public or private facility’ in this country of a foreign / international democratic election on our soil ? Not including each embassy of course !

    &

    who would be picking up the tab for the use of Croker and associated security and logistical arrangements, as well as traffic management in the area etc… none of which would be cheap I’d imagine… ? Weekend etc. so busy enough around you’d need a number of Gardai on overtime is my thinking..

    I’ve had a quick gander through several news sources and they doesn’t seem to account for it. I don’t imagine between set up, cleanup, takedown… which would probably be 3-4 days that be all inclusive, that it would come that cheap…

    Croke Park have a specific ‘ events ‘ Twitter and general one but oddly no mention of the election at all, nothing on either 😳

    US voting is done from here via the post through their embassy. So … surprised that no info out there in the ether that I can see.

    The GAA won’t be doing it free gratis…the machinations of the state, Gardai etc of course won’t be either . So..? Who is picking up the tab ? Irish Citizens or Brazilian embassy ?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As long as Bolsonaro loses, I don't care who picks up the tab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭20Wheel


    I'd have to guess that its the Brazilian embassy that pays.

    but if I do find out that its the taxpayer then Im on the next flight to anywhere.

    Putin is a dictator. Putin should face justice at the Hague. All good Russians should work to depose Putin. Russias war in Ukraine is illegal and morally wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The French Embassy rents the auditorium in Cork City Hall when facilitating elections for French expatriates (the embassy is used in Dublin). There are probably many other examples.

    As for Gardai costs, in the normal course of events, the State pays for Gardai security operations outside foreign embassies as the State is duty-bound under the Vienna Convention to protect the integrity of resident diplomatic missions. Just as other countries must protect Irish missions.

    In this case - with it being on private property, I'd be confident the Gardai are charging non-public duty fees to the Brazilian embassy if they indeed requested AGS presence. The Gardai would be under no particular duty to protect the integrity of the polling centre unless they were called to an incident. Croke Park doesn't magically become a diplomatic mission protected by the Vienna Convention just because the Brazilian Embassy is renting a function room /hall there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    If you have the money you can rent croke park too.

    It's a commercial convention space and used almost every week of the year for many different things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I voted for Bolsonero twice.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,338 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Irish twitter is full of sickened anti everything Irish patriot types this morning now that Luna has won. It amazes me the grief they give Brazilians for being in Ireland. I did a couple of years in Australia in the late 00s and every city there was awash with GAA jerseys, mostly young people on temporary visas doing bits and bobs to get by, much like our Brazilian guests.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Croke park is a business and is open daily for events which this is , you’re mixing it up with special licensed events which are limited , as for the “clean up” well the people hired to clean up obviously



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I wouldn't have a big issue if it turns out DOFA paid for it. Facilitating democratic elections on a foreign state seems like a nice diplomatic gesture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    The brAsiwian election was apparently very close, I’d say the diaspora here swung it. Carnival time I can see ladies on the steps of fine Georgian establishments flashing their wares and twerking in celebration !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    The Brazilian Embassy pay for everything.

    on Garda costs, they’re paid to ”police” any event. So for example any GAA event sees AGS send them an invoice (county boards get the invoice for non Croke Park games).

    In this case, AGS will have been engaged by DFA on behalf of the Brazilian embassy and the Brazilian embassy would get the invoice

    The fee the GAA charge the Brazilian embassy would obviously include prep work, clean up etc. Bound to have been a few sub contractors too of course



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    What sort of a thread is this?

    Is the OP really curious about who pays for an event at a Croke Park function room are are they just stirring a pot to try and drum up faux outrage about twin pillars of faux outrage in 2022, the government and foreigners.

    Do you ask the same questions about the multitude of other events held in Croke Park function rooms at other times OP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.


    As a local (within cordon), I wouldnt even have known it was happening if I hadn't read about it. Seems to have been really well organized, peaceful and respectful of locals.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    according to the 2016 census, there were 13,000 brazilians in ireland, up 5k from six years earlier; if that has reached 20k, and half of them showed up at croke park, that'd be one quarter the number who'd attend a leinster final. a quiet enough day for croker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    It was a polling station not a Barth Grooks concert.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Queuing up to get Brazilians at Croke park….what next…..plenty of ‘plucked turkeys’ just in time for Christmas…🤣🤣

    on a more serious note. BolsonAro is no loss. A South American version of ‘da Donald’ ……ex military strong man also……so similarities with the other poisoned abomination of a human ‘sa RÚS’ 🇷🇺 Except probably doesn’t have nukes apart from ‘red button’ in his pants 🩲



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Genius move really, whomever wins can feel a vague sense of gratefulness toward you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Jair is not conceding

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bolsonaro is a horrific candidate.

    Lula is a convicted criminal.

    What a choice the Brazilians had. Neither a good option. Almost like Clinton and Trump.

    Most Brazilians I know in Dublin - who are ordinary decent people and not homophobic - supported Bolsonaro over Lula.

    That wouldn't change my opinion. Bolsonaro is truly awful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    I have to say the Brazilians seem a great bunch, they work hard and contribute to society. A bit like the Irish that emigrate also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    So this guy blames Zelensky and the West for Russia invading Ukraine.


    Another Putin mouthpiece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Lula's convictions were quashed by the Supreme Court of Brazil - the bench acknowledged that the prosecution and court case was a political stitch-up that paid no heed to rule of law and had no jurisdiction. Not an insignificant point. So no, Lula is not a convicted criminal, it was quashed.

    Also wondering where you're pulling these "most Brazilians I know in Ireland" that support Bolsanaro. Your sample size by definition is vanishingly small. Because overwhelmingly, the Brazilian diaspora in Ireland think Bolsonaro is a scumbag democratic-backsliding creep, as evidenced by the first-round results from Ireland.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Worth reminding that boards is a small sample size of mouthpieces that does not in any way reflect reality.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Daphne Broad Marksman




  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Daphne Broad Marksman


    Lula received 81.8% of the vote among Brazilians in Ireland.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Almost 20% is still a significant minority though, far higher than what many people would have believed.

    1 in 5 Brazilians in this country support a crazy wannabee dictator.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Daphne Broad Marksman


    1 in 5.5 Brazilians.

    For a fella that can't stand Bolsonaro, you do a good job at trying to put a bit of polish on him.

    5.5 is as close to 6 as it is to 5 yet you chose the more charitable number for Bolsonaro.

    Bolsonaro received 18.2% of the vote.

    18.2 is closer to 17 than it is to 20. Had Bolsonaro received 17% of the vote it'd be 5.8 Brazilians, which we'd round to 1 in 6 Brazilians support Bolsonaro.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,485 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    pedant hat on - 18.2% is 1 in 5.495, so is closer to 5 than to 6.



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