Brazilian Presidential Election - Croke Park

Strumms

I noted today that Croke Park was being used for the Brazilian diaspora here to vote in their presidential election.

im just wondering ..

if that on previous occasions has there has ever been a facilitation in a ‘public or private facility’ in this country of a foreign / international democratic election on our soil ? Not including each embassy of course !

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who would be picking up the tab for the use of Croker and associated security and logistical arrangements, as well as traffic management in the area etc… none of which would be cheap I’d imagine… ? Weekend etc. so busy enough around you’d need a number of Gardai on overtime is my thinking..

I’ve had a quick gander through several news sources and they doesn’t seem to account for it. I don’t imagine between set up, cleanup, takedown… which would probably be 3-4 days that be all inclusive, that it would come that cheap…

Croke Park have a specific ‘ events ‘ Twitter and general one but oddly no mention of the election at all, nothing on either 😳

US voting is done from here via the post through their embassy. So … surprised that no info out there in the ether that I can see.

The GAA won’t be doing it free gratis…the machinations of the state, Gardai etc of course won’t be either . So..? Who is picking up the tab ? Irish Citizens or Brazilian embassy ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269759/brazilian-presidential-election-croke-park

As long as Bolsonaro loses, I don't care who picks up the tab.

20Wheel

I'd have to guess that its the Brazilian embassy that pays.

but if I do find out that its the taxpayer then Im on the next flight to anywhere.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269759/brazilian-presidential-election-croke-park

The French Embassy rents the auditorium in Cork City Hall when facilitating elections for French expatriates (the embassy is used in Dublin). There are probably many other examples.

As for Gardai costs, in the normal course of events, the State pays for Gardai security operations outside foreign embassies as the State is duty-bound under the Vienna Convention to protect the integrity of resident diplomatic missions. Just as other countries must protect Irish missions.

In this case - with it being on private property, I'd be confident the Gardai are charging non-public duty fees to the Brazilian embassy if they indeed requested AGS presence. The Gardai would be under no particular duty to protect the integrity of the polling centre unless they were called to an incident. Croke Park doesn't magically become a diplomatic mission protected by the Vienna Convention just because the Brazilian Embassy is renting a function room /hall there.

walterking

If you have the money you can rent croke park too.

It's a commercial convention space and used almost every week of the year for many different things.

Montage of Feck

I voted for Bolsonero twice.

Thelonious Monk

Irish twitter is full of sickened anti everything Irish patriot types this morning now that Luna has won. It amazes me the grief they give Brazilians for being in Ireland. I did a couple of years in Australia in the late 00s and every city there was awash with GAA jerseys, mostly young people on temporary visas doing bits and bobs to get by, much like our Brazilian guests.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058269759/brazilian-presidential-election-croke-park

Croke park is a business and is open daily for events which this is , you’re mixing it up with special licensed events which are limited , as for the “clean up” well the people hired to clean up obviously

magicbastarder

I wouldn't have a big issue if it turns out DOFA paid for it. Facilitating democratic elections on a foreign state seems like a nice diplomatic gesture.

Star Bingo

The brAsiwian election was apparently very close, I’d say the diaspora here swung it. Carnival time I can see ladies on the steps of fine Georgian establishments flashing their wares and twerking in celebration !

Dodge

The Brazilian Embassy pay for everything.

on Garda costs, they’re paid to ”police” any event. So for example any GAA event sees AGS send them an invoice (county boards get the invoice for non Croke Park games).

In this case, AGS will have been engaged by DFA on behalf of the Brazilian embassy and the Brazilian embassy would get the invoice

The fee the GAA charge the Brazilian embassy would obviously include prep work, clean up etc. Bound to have been a few sub contractors too of course

Fr Tod Umptious

What sort of a thread is this?

Is the OP really curious about who pays for an event at a Croke Park function room are are they just stirring a pot to try and drum up faux outrage about twin pillars of faux outrage in 2022, the government and foreigners.

Do you ask the same questions about the multitude of other events held in Croke Park function rooms at other times OP?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119813920#Comment_119813920

Condolences.

LeeroyJ.

As a local (within cordon), I wouldnt even have known it was happening if I hadn't read about it. Seems to have been really well organized, peaceful and respectful of locals.

magicbastarder

according to the 2016 census, there were 13,000 brazilians in ireland, up 5k from six years earlier; if that has reached 20k, and half of them showed up at croke park, that'd be one quarter the number who'd attend a leinster final. a quiet enough day for croker.

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119814820#Comment_119814820

It was a polling station not a Barth Grooks concert.

Asdfgh2020

Queuing up to get Brazilians at Croke park….what next…..plenty of ‘plucked turkeys’ just in time for Christmas…🤣🤣

on a more serious note. BolsonAro is no loss. A South American version of ‘da Donald’ ……ex military strong man also……so similarities with the other poisoned abomination of a human ‘sa RÚS’ 🇷🇺 Except probably doesn’t have nukes apart from ‘red button’ in his pants 🩲

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119814541#Comment_119814541

Genius move really, whomever wins can feel a vague sense of gratefulness toward you.

Hobgoblin11

Jair is not conceding

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817336#Comment_119817336

link

https://wapo.st/3TUCvYV

Bolsonaro is a horrific candidate.

Lula is a convicted criminal.

What a choice the Brazilians had. Neither a good option. Almost like Clinton and Trump.

Most Brazilians I know in Dublin - who are ordinary decent people and not homophobic - supported Bolsonaro over Lula.

That wouldn't change my opinion. Bolsonaro is truly awful.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119814534#Comment_119814534

I have to say the Brazilians seem a great bunch, they work hard and contribute to society. A bit like the Irish that emigrate also.

Jinglejangle69

So this guy blames Zelensky and the West for Russia invading Ukraine.

Another Putin mouthpiece.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817367#Comment_119817367

Lula's convictions were quashed by the Supreme Court of Brazil - the bench acknowledged that the prosecution and court case was a political stitch-up that paid no heed to rule of law and had no jurisdiction. Not an insignificant point. So no, Lula is not a convicted criminal, it was quashed.

Also wondering where you're pulling these "most Brazilians I know in Ireland" that support Bolsanaro. Your sample size by definition is vanishingly small. Because overwhelmingly, the Brazilian diaspora in Ireland think Bolsonaro is a scumbag democratic-backsliding creep, as evidenced by the first-round results from Ireland.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817691#Comment_119817691

Worth reminding that boards is a small sample size of mouthpieces that does not in any way reflect reality.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817367#Comment_119817367

Lula is a convicted criminal.

Lula received 81.8% of the vote among Brazilians in Ireland.

https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1586847747445063682

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817367#Comment_119817367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818196#Comment_119818196

Turns out the 3 Brazilians you know are the minority.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818719#Comment_119818719

Almost 20% is still a significant minority though, far higher than what many people would have believed.

1 in 5 Brazilians in this country support a crazy wannabee dictator.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818741#Comment_119818741

1 in 5.5 Brazilians.

For a fella that can't stand Bolsonaro, you do a good job at trying to put a bit of polish on him.

5.5 is as close to 6 as it is to 5 yet you chose the more charitable number for Bolsonaro.

Bolsonaro received 18.2% of the vote.

18.2 is closer to 17 than it is to 20. Had Bolsonaro received 17% of the vote it'd be 5.8 Brazilians, which we'd round to 1 in 6 Brazilians support Bolsonaro.

magicbastarder

pedant hat on - 18.2% is 1 in 5.495, so is closer to 5 than to 6.

Fair point.

Regardless, Eskimohunt wants to give 1.8% to Bolsonaro to round him to up to 20%. I want to take away 1.2% and round him down to 17% (1 in 5.8).

If I was as greedy as Eskimohunt and took 1.8% you'd have exactly 1 in 6 Brazilians.

You arrive at 1 in 6 easier than you do 1 in 5.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119818741#Comment_119818741

18 vs 88 percent in a two-horse election is a blowout. The Brazilian diaspora in Ireland despise Bolsanaro.

You must have stumbled upon a nest of isolated Brazilian right wing cranks for your sample size to display "a majority" supporting Bolsanaro. But who knows what kind of company you keep? The other possibility is you made it up.

Faugheen

20% is 'a significant minority?'

Not in a two horse race it isn't. Jesus Christ.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819046#Comment_119819046

Eskimo always somehow has friends to back him up.

All his gay friends respect Anne Widdecombe and hate trans rights, all his black friends hate BLM and vote Tory and now all his Brazilian friends love Bolsonaro (who Eskimo hates 😉)

magicbastarder

(me, surrounded by 4.5 thugs, thinking 'you know, i have a small but significant chance of beating them all up')

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119819739#Comment_119819739

Yep basically seen slurry pits with less bullsh1t in them.

Hobgoblin11

Jair is not fighting the result, blood may not be spilt

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817367#Comment_119817367

Lula, I suspect, should answer for the corruption allegations. He is not, however, a “convicted criminal” as the conviction was subsequently annulled on the grounds that the state court did not have jurisdiction to try the case. Interestingly the judge who presided over that case became a minister under Bolsonaro.

Also, you must interact with an interesting group of Brazilians as 82% of the votes in Ireland were cast for Lula.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822809#Comment_119822809

Your taking Bolsy's beating well I see.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822842#Comment_119822842

Still hurting from Le Pen losing too, not a great year for them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119822809#Comment_119822809

Ireland imports the decent Brazilians while Miami (81% Bolsonaro) imports the fashies.

Happy days.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119823770#Comment_119823770

Both Loola and Bolsonaro are headbangers. Brazil is a basket case of a country and importing large amounts of Brazillians is just importing their brand of lunacy.

Criminal stupidity.

Overheal

CPAC media forces seem eager to have another run at an election coup

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/tucker-carlson-falsely-claims-brazils-election-is-still-ongoing-to-defend-claims-it-was-rigged-against-bolsonaro/

Tucker wants to convince everyone the election is not over and was rigged etc. sans any evidence.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119821829#Comment_119821829

You can tell he really wanted to though, he just doesn't have Trumps "talent" for it.

All these populist right-wing leaders are really just dictators under it all, trapped in democracies.

growleaves

There are class, and even religious elements, to this election. It is not a simple US culture-war dialectic.

Though perhaps they don't realise it, lots of boardsies are to the right of Lula who is a real socialist. Yet they themselves will go and vote for a nice moderate SD or Fine Gael candidate when it comes time to vote.

Lots of soft-left Irish couch-potatoes also cheered the rise of Chavez.