BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

I think in-house BBC staff can be pretty biased (Laura K, Katya Adler) but they had a show called Years & Years a while back that got a fair few digs in on the Tories and Bojo in particular.

I think the conservative party should be thanking their lucky stars to have pulled rishi out the hat when all looked lost for them.

Somehow they finally stumbled on a competent person at least, lack of experience not withstanding. I think the fact that he was willing to acquiesce to Johnson Cummings is actually a strength, I see him delegated heavily to others. If you've ever worked in finance, this is very common, management almost do nothing once they've set up the right structures for self management in their teams and groomed their own replacements.

Having said that I thought Theresa may was decent and she got absolutely shafted, it's a treacherous place to be.

True I can't be definite.

I like that he stuck by his guns regarding his financial policies, he did a flake a little under pressure when he was up against truss but it sounds like now that he has the power he will be willing to do unpopular things for the benefit of UK

Except he made a grubby deal with Braverman to get her support and now is forced to lie and deflect to avoid the truth.

Hardly class that as someone that is going to stand up for what's right for the country

In an episode of "The Wire" the police Lieutenant is explaining to his wife a kind of Catch 22 situation that he's in where he's been set up to fail on a case by his superiors. After hearing the details she tells him:

Being PM in post-Brexit UK is a bit like that. They've been handed this massive problem, that is clear and obvious to most sane observers. However everyone must pretend that it isn't a problem and that it's great actually. Spin only works up to a point though and then it's your neck on the line. The only way to ensure you're not a failure as Prime Minister these days is to not become one in the first place.

The S*n are getting in on the act too

What might two years of Sunak being competent bring?

A tight Labour-SNP coalition who introduce PR and hence the Tories are out of power for multiple decades.

It's probably better for the Tories to implode and hope they can recover like their Canadian equivalent.

Also, assuming there won't be further incompetence scandals is brave, as the cabinet still has many incompetents in it

If they scrape in, they'll do it.

If the roll home with 400+ as your long term and temporary idols Johnson and Truss would have given them, they wouldn't do it.

Just how many U turns have the Tories done in the past six weeks? And don't you always try to defend U turns when the Tories make them?

The real question is what can Sunak do in the next two years to change course without completely dismantling the memory of the previous 12 years of government?

Brexit is the real elephant in the room, but obviously he can't go there. His grubby deal to select Braverman proves he hasn't the steel for that.

So what can he do. Truss was right in one sense, the UK needs growth. So where is Sunak going to get it from?

Because without that he faces exactly the same problems that the last few have faced.

And what will he do about NI? Face down the EU, and risk a potential trade war, or accept that growth is needed and face down the failed ideology of the ERG?

And funding for the NHS,rail workers qagw demands,teacher recruitment, Gove promised 300k houses a year those morning.

He has a clear issue with security that must be resolved. Factions within his own party.

He gas already been forced to postpone the budget and forced to accept Hunt as CX.

What gas he done so far that is getting you to warn to him?