Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

RobbieTheRobber · 28-10-2022 11:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803452#Comment_119803452

You are talking about an undefined group and commenting on their appearance that is really sad.

If this was a real conversation I would suggest to you that it seems you are suffering from low self esteem and projecting this on to your imagined group.

Good luck with your journey in life anyway B2TB I'll go back to talking to my 4 year old daughter now for a more cogent reasonable conversation.

Mad_maxx · 28-10-2022 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119802778#Comment_119802778

WOKEness has all the hallmarks of a religion

Beit sacred figures like Greta etc ( who has unofficial sainthoood at this stage)

devotion to causes , Beit BLM , unfettered immigration, trans ideology

unison in what words and phrases to use while speaking

“ straight white male “

” POC”

” CIS”

” climate crisis “

these are all repeated like chants or hymn’s in church , ditto with the “ taking the knee “ during BLM demo’s, a religious ritual

another expression of righteousness of course is the covid mask and the “ we can be zero “ social media banner , the mask is today’s rosary beads or crucifix for the WOKE

we also see their clerics issue edicts only instead of from the church pulpit,it’s via Twitter where Panti Bliss or that dreadfully unfunny “ comedian “ from Cork ( big SF supporter) will condemn someone and the loyal devoted progressive flock nod ( click like ) in perfect unison

people don’t change that much , they- we unconditionally subscribed to catholic doctrine back in the day , now it’s WOKE orthodoxy

RobbieTheRobber · 28-10-2022 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803429#Comment_119803429

I took your post to extremes by discussing its content!

🤣🤣🤣

growleaves · 28-10-2022 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803696#Comment_119803696

???

I don't understand the point you're making, if you're even making a point.

RobbieTheRobber · 28-10-2022 11:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803711#Comment_119803711

None of these apply to me but I bet you would say I'm woke.

What utter hyperbole as usual but if i discuss you will probably like B2TB say your words shouldn't be taken to mean what they mean. Its so unfair when people do that.

RobbieTheRobber · 28-10-2022 12:49PM

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Ten of Swords · 28-10-2022 12:49PM

@bad2thebone do not post in this thread again

lmao10 · 28-10-2022 12:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803711#Comment_119803711

Oh dear. You know when you see the word "woke", especially capitalised, that you're not getting the best of conversation. Strange post. I don't know why these people who write "woke" in a post always seem to think they have some hidden information and are so smarter than the general public. Clearly you think the general public are idiots who can't think for themselves and are being brainwashed. It just always seems to be a highly intelligent poster who is so much smarter than the general public and everyone else. When you see the word "woke" in a post you know that's coming. Pathetic I would say.

Boggles · 28-10-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803711#Comment_119803711

If anyone wants a drinking game for the long weekend.

Fully monty there. 😂

Overheal · 28-10-2022 12:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803711#Comment_119803711

Where’s your hinges in this post?

RobbieTheRobber · 28-10-2022 12:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804081#Comment_119804081

I'd really like to know if posters like the one you replied to consider themselves the moderate voice when they post stuff like that. Like is all that anger at made up bogeymen what they consider to be a moderate opinion?

28-10-2022 01:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804081#Comment_119804081

Actually, that's false.

The term woke was adopted by those who believe they're fighting social inequalities and other forms therein. It started in the 2010s.

We didn't invent the word. We're using your own vocabulary.

Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination" that originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans.

Following the shooting of Michael Brown in 2014, The phrase stay woke was used by activists of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement to urge awareness of police abuses.

The argument is that many of the policies espoused in the name of social justice (i.e. these so-called "hate speech" laws) are bad policies.

That they're not progressive, that they're actively regressive.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804097#Comment_119804097

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804086#Comment_119804086

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804113#Comment_119804113

Look at the standard of the disingenuous arguments made in favour of these hate speech laws.

Blithe dismissals. No real or meaningful engagement with the subject matter at hand.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804116#Comment_119804116

What subject matter? Bla bla bla woke. Much projection of American culture wars, but nothing of substance.

Tonesjones · 28-10-2022 01:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804149#Comment_119804149

Best to leave it to the Irish people and the Irish government. Your American culture wars are causing no end of problems and division

Mad_maxx · 28-10-2022 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804081#Comment_119804081

I’m pretty average in the intellect department but WOKE has common parlance in today’s discourse, that it is not perceived to be flattering by some is neither here nor there

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804181#Comment_119804181

The common parlance is that people shout woke in the pejorative for the same reasons they complain others call them racist.

Boggles · 28-10-2022 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804116#Comment_119804116

The argument is that many of the policies espoused in the name of social justice (i.e. these so-called "hate speech" laws) are bad policies.

That they're not progressive, that they're actively regressive.

"The argument", do you mean your argument or are you here posting on behalf of someone else?

If so could you ask them which laws are "actively regressive".

Please be specific and give tangible examples.

AllForIt · 28-10-2022 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119803669#Comment_119803669

It’s quite possible that this is just another example of “ gesture politics “ and Helen McEntee sure loves gesture politics

I think that is what it has been reduced to, which is why I'm not too bothered about this.

"Furthermore, the Bill also includes a general provision to protect freedom of expression which clarifies that a “communication” will not be taken to incite violence or hatred solely on the basis that it involves discussion or criticism of matters related to one of the listed protected characteristics."

But for many people this is really why they wanted it, why they pushed for it, not because they think stiffer sentences would make much difference to anything. I saw yesterday Izzy Kamikaze aka Ruth o'Rourke post a tweet instructing her followers to report a tweet that depicted that swastika lgbt+ flag. But that type of stuff doesn't come under this new law or if it did it would have to be in combination with something more serious, but not in itself.

plodder · 28-10-2022 01:30PM

Anyone actually seen this bill yet, that was published yesterday, and which has around 6 weeks of Dáil time to get passed?

There's no link from the press release, or from the DOJ web site afaics.

28-10-2022 01:31PM

Would it be regarded as Hate Speech to call the Green Rectum who is currently Lord Mayor of Dublin a stupid cucking funt for deciding - off her own bat - to cancel the annual Christmas Crib outside the Mansion House? I've just listened to the vile hag on the RTE radio news and she appears to have the IQ of a bicycle pump.

Up to today, I had regarded the loathsome Hazel Chew as Dublin's worst Lord Mayor since Bertie "digout man" Ahern, but now, courtesy of the Green Rats, we have a new candidate.

TomTomTim · 28-10-2022 01:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804194#Comment_119804194

But that type of stuff doesn't come under this new law or if it did it would have to be in combination with something more serious, but not in itself.

True, yet as we seen in the UK with the exact same example, the police still arrested someone over it even though it wasn't illegal. So police resources and the courts time were utterly wasted over something potentially failing under such legislation, which is the very problem.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11066477/Veteran-arrested-causing-anxiety-retweeting-meme-swastika-Pride-flags.html

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804250#Comment_119804250

Exact same example?

Thats UK not Ireland. Nobody has seen the bill yet. Exact same?

TomTomTim · 28-10-2022 01:35PM

There's a person on this thread literally talking to themselves while questioning the mental wellness of others 🤣

Mad_maxx · 28-10-2022 01:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804190#Comment_119804190

No it has a much wider application than that

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804273#Comment_119804273

Everything you don’t like is woke I get it

TomTomTim · 28-10-2022 01:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804260#Comment_119804260

The trans Nazi flag was the "exact same example". The point was the vagueness, and the lack of clarity surrounding legislation like this, which leads to the same end.

RobbieTheRobber · 28-10-2022 01:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804273#Comment_119804273

Have you got any examples from boards of its wider use?

I have only ever seen it used here in a pejorative manner.

Overheal · 28-10-2022 01:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804287#Comment_119804287

I don’t see how it applies. Someone wants a tweet reported on Twitter that’s not a hate speech law thing that’s a Twitter TOS thing.

Boggles · 28-10-2022 01:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804239#Comment_119804239

Calm down, It hasn't been cancelled, they will no longer use live animals.

How they got away with that for so long I have no idea.

Mad_maxx · 28-10-2022 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119804292#Comment_119804292

It’s used regularly in mainstream media conversion, it’s obviously a term which has evolved but that’s hardly a first

if you would like me to describe what I believe it means?

slavishly devoted to progressive thought on any given topic

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