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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Diamondcut


    Reuters reported finding thousands of Russian army documents left behind after they abandoned a makeshift military HQ in the town of Balaklia.

    The Russians must have fled fair fast for this to happen,wonder did Ukrainian army get some nice Intel that's helped them the last few month's out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    TBH, I'd pay little heed to Russki Army documents. Been there and done that

    Post edited by Slava_Ukraine on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I don't believe half of these pulling outs. Nike said they pulled out of Russia months ago but they are still sponsoring athletes and sending them fresh gear to flog off on Social Media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes! Thats the stuff all right. They have good traditional music and like to sing and play. That was a good example of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭dockysher


    Check in this thread the odd time to read the comments. The reality is ukraine are not winning this war, their country is being totally destroyed.

    They will be in severe debt for many years, the pyhsical and physcological damage to their people for many years will be massive.

    In the long-term they can not win this war unfortuantely. They can not rebuild their country and people wile at war everyday, no matter how much money and weapons are pumped in.

    People get too stuck on media coverage of this war that does not show the true reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,192 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's not real. It could be the mil sim Arma, with a lot of mods. Look at the 2d blocky trees at the bottom, a few seconds in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,083 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If they dont fight Russia to a standstil now in the long term Russia just comes back again. There wont be peace, just a truce.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    What do you think should be done then OP? Any suggestions?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,405 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Just maybe it's because ye've let yourselves be ruled by Vladimir Putin. Who took it upon himself to appoint himself dictator of Russia for the last two decades. But we all know this wouldn't have happened for the Russian people didn't rise against him up to now. That enough warning was given of Putin's ways up to this invasion and genocide and ye still stood by. Ye stood by when Putin used african and middle eastern refugees as weapons of war against Europe. Ye stood by when opponents were poisoned and were murdered off high rise buildings. Ye stood by Putin had his Chechen terrorists abduct opponents in Moscow and murder in Chechnya, whether gay or political. Ye stood by when thousands of ye're countrymen were sent to die in Ukraine. But seeing as ye're so screwed up in ye're philosophy in Russia, ye probably hoped for your neighbours misfortune for some profit. Ye stood by when the world watched your army, rape, murder, steal whatever they can get their hands on. Ye stood by. Ye stood by when Iranian expats protested against their government and ye just watched your own government and Putin. Ye stood by and let the world's people form on opinion on ye purely by ye're own actions and that of those who take it upon themselves to defend the russian army and claim they want peace. But peace in your eyes means doing nothing against the actions of Putin's forces. Ye stood by. Ye became Putin. Own it. Ye earned it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭jmreire


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They are winning the war and they will rebuild....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    Don't worry the Russian oligarch money is already set aside for rebuilding.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    You may check in this thread an odd time (a very odd time, at that), but you're certainly not keeping abreast of the war, in any way. As any of the longterm posters here will tell you, most of the information gleaned about the war comes not from "Social Media", but from credible ( note that word) OSINT sources.

    Might I suggest reading through the pages of this thread from about March onwards. It will give you a very good overview of why Ukraine will win this war, why it will be rebuilt, and why Russia will never be permitted to attain the position it reached before the war.

    I'm guessing you are quite young, with not too much travel under your belt, or work in "interesting" places, but you are seriously underestimating the will of the West to make Ukraine work, when all is said and done. Its an absolute priority of all NATO countries that Ukraine wins this war.

    Remind me to refer back to your post next April/May.

    *edit:

    Yes, you are young, and explains the slight naivety, if you don't mind me saying so. If you know any of your buddies in the army, ask them what they think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    I suppose we can lay some of the blame for those supporting the Russian regime on the old soviet dread of thinking or saying the truth. It's easy for us in the civilised world to judge a state which is probably in the same mentality as Europe was sometime around 1890. I feel sorry for the people living there. Most probably know nothing better. The state and its institutions may be run by scum and useful idiots, but it's the people in the west who should know better. There's no good excuse for them.

    In the past few weeks we've seen deliberate targeting of innocent civilians by cowards afraid to step foot near Kiev, supporting this either means your IQ is in the disabled range or you've swallowed lies so long you are just unable to tell what is true or real.

    In a way, I think the far-left will be caught out on this like their excusing and denial of genocide in Cambodia, and the far-right is no better. That's definitely for the best. We need to see who these cretins are and remember their names.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    I am not saying that the war is good for Ukraine. But Ukraine is objectively winning in a tactical sense. And even more importantly, Ukraine is winning strategically, not just over Russia, but over its own colonial self.

    Why did Putin think that Russia can take over Ukraine easily? Because there were Ukrainians who did not appreciate the independence from Russia enough, or valued their hard won freedoms enough. The independence was given for free to Ukraine when the USSR collapsed. Many people still clung to the feeling of belonging to the common union where there were almost no barriers between Russia and Ukraine in many respects. Well, that illusion is gone. Ukraine is a truly independent country now, regardless of how the current war is progressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Does he know you are a Putin admirer and supporter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Well in a tactical sense they are the ones making territorial gains and pushing the Russians from their land, albeit things seemed to have slowed down recently for them.

    I wouldn't be as optimistic as some posters in here who think that Ukraine will be able to liberate all their land including Crimea, as much as I would like to see that happen, I think it might be a step too far for them to achieve.

    However if the Ukranians feel that they wish to continue to fight for their freedom, I think they can push the Russians back much further than where they are at now. Yes its easy for me to say that when their are people being killed and their country is being destroyed but I believe it is a decision that the people of Ukraine should be able to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    All this talk of retaking Kherson but there's never any analysis on the possibility of retaking Donetsk. Ukraine have a bit of land to retake before they can even think of taking the city yet they're right on the outskirts of Donetsk.


    Is the reason being Russian are throwing huge numbers on the attack here so Ukraine have no choice but to focus on defense rather then attack?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Diamondcut


    Nonsense...at the very least once the Russians are fucked off back over the border the natural resources Ukraine has will be exploited by the USA and EU for billions of dollars and Ukraine will be just fine.

    Their people will take longer to recover but they will and future generations will take pride in the fact that their parents and grandparents fought off the Russians to keep their country free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Homelander


    So sad to hear we're missing out on the true reality.

    A $60bn per-year army struggling to make in-roads against a $2bn a year army after the guts of a year? All well and good to cry "But NATO", "But the US", but all the aid in the world can't make up for a) decades of military expenditure gulf and b) will to fight.

    So, as it turns out, Russia's 60bn a year is probably 60% lost to corruption, and an even further amount lost to sheer ineptitude. At the end of the day, they're trying to spend what actually filters down to the military on a colossal armed forces, like trying to make a single butter packet spread across 10 slices of toast.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine was focusing on a core professional military, investing in training, and making the most of what it has, western style. They understand the days of brute force WW2 style are decades gone, and it shows.

    The Russian economy in tatters, their international standing reduced to pariah status, their future utterly destroyed.

    The entire world laughing in amazement at how the Russian army is basically a rotten, decrepit structure riddled with corruption and ineptitude, the whole world now knowing that if NATO ever got involved, the Russian army would be pulverized and destroyed in about 2 hours with the wave of a finger.

    The USA cannot believe it's fortune - Russia is being destroyed on the ground, in conventional warfare, by a Ukrainian army dwarfed by Russia. All they have to do is provide limited equipment, and watch the worlds "second army" be annihilated by a second world country.

    What an investment. They throw the equivalent of pocket change at Ukraine, and watch as Russia is embarrassed, defeated, out-smarted, and shown up for the absolute joke that they are, a medieval society of peasants and lords.

    It shouldn't come as any great shock - Russia performed absolutely embarrasingly poorly against the Georgian military a decade ago, which was even radically more minuscule than Ukraine's armed forces are. Couldn't even establish air dominance in a battle of a hammer and a glass nail.

    If Russia wasn't able to rattle the nuclear sabre, it would have been ground into dust on day one.

    If that's your definition of Ukraine losing, I'd absolutely love to hear the criteria for how Russia is winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    I said African nations that support Russia like South Africa

    Lavrof just been to Uganda Ethiopia and Republic of the Congo

    There support needs to be sanctioned

    This is not the whole of africa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭threeball


    It's amazing that these African countries are so comfortable cosying up to Russia, a country which is so openly racist as to regularly throw out the n word on prime time TV and clearly views anyone not white as even less subhuman than they do Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Field east


    So how then did UKr recover from the Maidan protest which toppled a president/government. ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭BKtje


    I don't want to put words in the above posters mouth but I took his post to mean that even if Ukraine pushes Russia out and wins the fighting war , they still lose. I strongly believe that Ukraine will win the war in the traditional sense bar some major escalation by Russia. Thousands of their young men and women dead, country incredibly damaged and even with Western help and money will take a long time to rebuild. While lots of Russian money has been frozen or seized, I'm not sure if the majority of that money will be made available to rebuild the country. I think it's naive to think that it will all just be handed over and even if some of it it is, there will be people in the West possibly skimming some off the top as well as corruption in Ukraine afterwards. I know a lot of money has been promised to help rebuild regions etc by the EU and other countries but it's just a drop in the ocean of what they need without the frozen assets.

    I really hope I'm wrong and it's a problem for the day in the future once Rusisa has been expelled. In the meantime there are more immediate problems.


    EDIT: After rereading again I am wrong in understanding what they meant. Will leave the above as is though :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Naivety or just trolling by some posters but Russia won't stop at Ukraine

    Any country who support this brutal destruction of a sovereign state is been threatened or has potential to do the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    zelensky publicly goading Wagner PMC. Obviously he's saying this for a reason. What's the psyop here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    “recover”

    Before I get the obligatory abuse I would like all of you to read this article to the very end.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/23/ukraine-corruption-bigotry-western-support-russia



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    The general goal of Ukraine is to prevent a stalemate which would give Russia time to build up forces. If Wagner group attacks, they would potentially lose more than if they are defending.

    Here is the analysis of the winter goals for Ukraine and Russia which I found informative:

    https://youtu.be/SlcceOh2gkg



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