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Where is the specific proposal for multi-generational households? There isn't one. So yes, they are silent on how multi-generational households would cope in this regime. They are supposed to be the experts, yet their expertise is basically... well the professionals who currently advocate restrictions could come up with a different set of measures... we just don't know what they are, or how effective they would be, or what their drawbacks would be but .... lockdowns bad.

That is not science.

No estimate is provided for how long it would take to achieve herd immunity... how long infection immunity would last.

No estimate is provided for the additional deaths, severe cases, long covid in the 'less vulnerable' groups - both in terms of additional burden on hospital care and in life changing events.

Here is another humdinger from this piece of nonsense: "By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent testing of other staff and all visitors"

How are the staff meant to get this immunity? How is the nursing home to be staffed during this process? What about essential staff that don't have immunity? How many of the staff can we expect to get serious covid or long covid during this process?

This was written in October 2020, well before we had rapid testing... so how many PCRs and how fast would they be needed. How many cases will be missed in the gap between test and result.

There is a world of difference between schools open in a society under restrictions, and schools open in a society where covid is running rampant.

So the schools are open. What about multi-generational households where there is a vulnerable person living? What about the children of healthcare workers?

Schools were shut during periods of the worst outbreaks.

Where was it said children didn't transmit the disease? It was said they were less likely. And you are muddying the waters on 'children', are you talking about 6 year olds or 16 year olds? The Declaration also calls for the re-opening of Universities, which are not populated by children.

It is not science to just say, re-open the schools. The schools were re-opened based on an assessment of their risk of spread versus the risks to education. That is science.

"Focused Protection", in comparison to the actual measures deployed, is a meaningless slogan, backed up by nothing.

So yes, it is just fantasy\aspirational nonsense. It is a political statement. It is not science.

That is not just my opinion:

The American Public Health Association and 13 other public-health groups in the United States warned in a joint open letter that the "Great Barrington Declaration is not grounded in science and is dangerous."

“If followed, the recommendations in the Great Barrington Declaration would haphazardly and unnecessarily sacrifices lives... The declaration is not a strategy, it is a political statement. It ignores sound public health expertise. It preys on a frustrated populace. Instead of selling false hope that will predictably backfire, we must focus on how to manage this pandemic in a safe, responsible, and equitable way."

Dozens of public health groups, experts blast ‘herd immunity’ strategy backed by White House | The Hill

As an association of more than 12,000 frontline infectious diseases scientists, physicians, public health experts, and other health professionals, the Infectious Diseases Society of America and its HIV Medicine Association strongly denounce the “declaration,” released without data or evidence, that states this crisis can be controlled in the absence of critical public health measures.

“Herd Immunity” is Not an Answer to a Pandemic (idsociety.org)

We should really be the poster boys of what vaccination can do. Not going into the depths of another wave while the unvaxxed countries seem to be coping ok.

A lot of hamster-wheel style nitpicking going on here.

Been awhile since we've had any hint of a conspiracy, anything at all credible linked to the vaccines?

There seems to be a lot of regret among those who succumbed to the needlecraft and none among the purebloods.

Most of the posters on this thread are fanatical pro-covid-vaxxers but I suspect, deep down, lots of them feel rather foolish and feel they've been duped. You have to be bonkers if you think it was a good idea trying to get every man, woman and child needlecrafted during a pseudopandemic with an undertested and potentially dangerous "treatment".

It must be galling for the fanatical pro-vaxxers and everyone else to know that public health agencies, governments and the media conspired to hide the fact that the needlecraft didn't stop transmission.

From an Australian poll:

"More than half of respondents either said they regret getting vaccinated, or were unvaccinated and happy with their decision.

Only 35 per cent out of more than 45,000 people said they were vaccinated and would make the same decision again.

Not a single person said they were unvaccinated and regret the decision."

Covid poll Australia: Masks, vaccines, lockdowns, cases, deaths and more | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

Still talking about your stitching classes? I can see you haven’t improved. Usually practice improves people’s techniques, but there are those that just can be helped no matter how much they love stitching. They just will never understand anything about it.

However, as a plant to make conspiracy theorists look ridiculous you are doing a great job. Your monthly salary should be in your account by COB on Friday.

If you are vaccinated you are less likely to die from Covid. The older you get the more risk there is. If you are quite young, I wouldn't worry about it too much, but if you are middle aged and older, then you are gambling.

People with underlying conditions and the elderly are most at risk. Straightforward question, would you convince elderly relatives of yours not to get jabbed?

I thought it was the unvaxxed were meant to be dead by now. Seems no one was right. Except the purveyors.

In other news, water is wet.

That's parody level stuff.