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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    You literally just said you'd fake and emergency to get an appointment. Skip the queue.

    If you think you have an emergency (a real one) it's madness to go to a GP. Same with urgent medical care. There are DDocs, Swiftcare Clinics, etc. There's even a private A&R in the Mater Private.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    No, I'd lie about my symptoms because it's none of the receptionist's business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    That you can't get an appointment and you lie about your symptoms, maybe one and the same problem.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unsurprisingly, GPs and their staff remember when that happens, next time around it doesn’t work so well.

    Again, Receptionists follow GPs protocol on urgency, they don’t diagnose, they don’t treat, they ask the relevant questions as per the GPs instruction. They then pass the info to the GP.

    Considering all GPs have receptionists, and they book the appointments, you will struggle to by pass them.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I see my doctor about once every 3 years, I haven't been since before Covid.

    I've never been asked anything bar if it's an emergency. I have always said no, it's not. If, however, I'm asked to discuss my health with an unqualified receptionist in future I'll lie. A receptionist can't decide whether I need to see a doctor or when I should get to see them. Again, if they could they wouldn't be a receptionist.

    My first post there was in response to this:

    and we're back to all these emergencies rocking up to a GP looking for an appointment, instead of going to hospital.

    ..and not wanting to go to hospital, or the DDoc, because it will cost more, and tbh its not an emergency.

    I have never refused to attend an out of hours doctor, nor have I ever attended an A&E department. I certainly don't base my decision on where to present myself for healthcare based on cost. I enjoy good health and have go to the doctor on the rare occasion I require an antibiotic.

    I'm not an idiot and can discern the difference between a viral and bacterial respiratory infection.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    They see so little of me they'll need great memories and I'm sure my €60 is as good as anyone else's, especially as my consultations last all of 3 or 4 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Memories. You think they keep information in their head? Seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    I curious when someone answers the phone. Where do you think should they place you in the queue.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Well they can make all the notes they want in my file. If you're suggesting a receptionist is petty enough to hold a grudge that would mean my GP disregarded doctor-patient confidentiality to inform them I presented with a different condition.

    And if they are indeed that petty I'd consider that more reason not to discuss my health with them.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




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  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Unsurprisingly Reception staff remember the ones that cause problems. Our staff have memories like elephants and will often say to the GPs/Specialists/Dentists that this is the guy that lied or was abusive the last time he was here.

    The other 100 people looking for the appointment, their €60 is equally if not more appreciated if you are a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Juran


    I remember when I started working after university 20 years ago, my wages were piss poor, and I wasnt eligible for a medical card, but I could not afford medical healthcare. I am not lying or exaggerating. I got up at 6am, commuted,worked 8am till near 6pm, commuted home. By the time rent, car costs, etc were paid, I was skint till next weeks pay. I remember having a UTI but did not have the money to see a GP & pay for antibiotics. I suffered on.

    So before anyone on medical cards thinks people without medical cards can afford medical care, please think again.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Your place doesn't sound very professional and your receptionists sound like they're on power trips.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That could be one way of looking at it, the other way is that they don’t suffer fools easily.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    No, it's unprofessional. If that's how you like to operate I'm not surprised you have issues.

    You keep editing your posts, this was added to your previous one.

    The other 100 people looking for the appointment, their €60 is equally if not more appreciated if you are a problem.

    I'm not "a problem". I'm polite and courteous but I will not discuss my private health information with a receptionist. If you look at one of my earlier posts in this thread I said I would explain to the GP why I lied and that I wouldn't discuss symptoms with a receptionist in the future.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    TL:DR.

    Bottom line, just how much detail do you expect a patient to go into with a receptionist in order to tick enough boxes to satisfy them (a medically unqualified person) that an appointment is needed?

    Taking this back to the case of the OP (again, not me) she rang and asked for an appointment (for her daughter - irrelevant) and said it was urgent (she did not say it was an emergency). When asked why, she stated it was a problem of a very private and personal intimate nature and she requested a female GP. That right there, should have been more than enough information for the receptionist to book the appointment on, but she continued to press the OP for more details, and stating she "needed to know".

    Her daughter's issue was not the kind of emergency that needed a visit A&E, but I think it was fair to say it was urgent, and not something that could be left unchecked and without treatment for weeks.

    From the OP's account, Gatekeeper #1 was snotty and difficult from the get-go.

    Now, to cut through all this bullshit back and forth, as far as I am concerned, Gatekeeper #1 was the problem here, and a complaint about her handling of the situation from either the OP, or the OP's daughter, to the GP is absolutely warranted, and I hope they make one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    So end of the list.

    Putting someone on the end of a list doesn't require any knowledge of anything.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    They can ask if it's an emergency and book appointments for all answer "No" on a first come, first served basis. It's not exactly rocket science now, is it?

    If anyone says it is an emergency they can be slotted in. If a patient routinely lies the GP can have a word.

    Now, before you counter that I said I would lie - I would only lie if I was expected to explain my symptoms to a receptionist, and I would explain same to my GP. I don't know how many times I need to say this, but there it is again for posterity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    These days they have computer systems with patient records. If a patient is causing problems, like lying about symptoms, the doc is likely to make a note on their file. Some people even get blacklisted or flagged due to abusive behaviour etc.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We don’t have issues, both GP and Dentists lists are closed to new patients as they are at capacity. We have experienced staff who deal with people such as yourself on a daily basis. The reality is that not every patient can get the appointment they want, when they want. So the GPs set protocols to be followed when gaining the information from the patient, which in turn allows them to prioritise people who need to be seen sooner. If you don’t want to tell the Receptionist why you need an urgent appointment, I don’t see how you expect to be given priority over other patients looking for appointments. If you lie, then obviously the GP will become aware of this when you attend, which of course makes them suspicious the next time you call. And they do remember, and attach a note to your file about it.

    You think editing posts illustrates some issue?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    You're the classic boy who cried wolf. We know how that ends.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    We have experienced staff who deal with people such as yourself on a daily basis. The reality is that not every patient can get the appointment they want, when they want. 

    People such as myself? Can you point out where I stated that I wanted an appointment at a time that suits me? I'll give you a hint - I didn't. I've said I expect an appointment when one is available and that non-urgent appointments should be booked on a first come, first served basis. I'm not abusive or difficult.

    All I've said is that I won't discuss my symptoms with a receptionist, you've invented the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    This nonsense of Old people not being online in 2022 needs to be put out to pasture. Pensioners are renewing driving licences, passports etc online, ordering groceries, booking holidays and banking online. We're well able to use an appointment app. Your Mam is far from alone.

    As for the crux if the topic. GP practices need to be able to determine if an appointment is urgent. The receptionists usually ask some questions but I've never known them to look for any great detail.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Do you keep missing the part where I would explain why I lied to my GP?

    If you want to discuss your symptoms with a receptionist you're free to do so, I won't.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People like you who lie about their symptoms to get appointments ahead of people who may genuinely be sick and need to be prioritised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    Making an appointment for an adult who is capable of making their own is a fool's errand. Back and forth about times...what a waste of your time and the receptionist's time who probably has calls queued behind yours.

    It makes sense for the receptionist to slot in emergency appointments for very unwell people who are not life or death A&E but need to be treated in the next 48 hours. If we had more GP's it could take significant pressure off A&E departments. But if a patient (patient, NOT parent of an adult!) states that it is a personal matter, requests a female GP and that they need an appointment that week then that's more than enough information.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'd get an appointment if I was honest about my symptoms too so that a moot point. Save me the sanctimonious nonsense when you openly admitted the staff in your practice are unprofessional.



  • Posts: 14,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My staff are very professional.

    Out of curiosity, if you are concerned about/object to giving the Reception staff your symptoms, what difference does it make to you if the symptoms you give are truthful or not? You are still informing the Receptions about symptoms.

    And you have admitted that you would lie about your symptoms to get an appointment, how low is that? Would it not bother you that you could be taking a priority appointment ahead of someone with a genuine need of an urgent appointment? it really is disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,551 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Fair enough, to cut through all the BS back and forth - your own ideas of perceiving receptionists as gatekeepers is colouring your judgment IMO. The conflict arose out of the receptionist informing the OP about the surgeries policies regarding patient appointments, which didn’t suit either the OP or her daughter. The receptionist wasn’t unwilling to make an appointment, they just weren’t able to accommodate the OP in accordance with theirs or their daughter’s preferences. It’s understandably upsetting for the OP and their daughter, but receptionists aren’t in a position to make those sorts of decisions outside their control because it’s the nature of community healthcare that because they are offering their services to the public, they’re operating under certain constraints, like the fact that GP’s surgeries are overwhelmed and they need to be able to prioritise appointments on the basis of resources and services available.

    Inevitably that leaves people who feel they are more important than others feeling like they aren’t being prioritised in accordance with their impression of their own importance. That’s not a receptionist issue, it’s an issue that the person’s expectations aren’t being met. The receptionist shouldn’t need to explain why their expectations can’t be met when it should be obvious that the surgery just doesn’t have the capacity to make an appointment whenever the person decides they want one with a GP of their preference. Anyone is of course entitled to make a complaint. Receptionists deal with them all the time too, it’s why in the surgery I go to they had to put up a notice that anyone being abusive towards staff will be asked to leave.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    You've described the carryon of your staff, far from professional I'm afraid.

    The lie would be to prevent discussing private information with a receptionist who has no medical training. I would explain that to the doctor and inform them I wouldn't be discussing that information with a receptionist. How many times do you need me to explain this?

    If I'm at the doctor I actually need to be there, so I'm not "taking an appointment from someone else", I need to see a doctor.



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