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Plant & Weed ID Megathread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13 paperdaisy


    Thank you looksee and Jim for these suggestions - whatever it is I'll be digging it all out. It's quite scary how quickly it has taken over my garden!😮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,866 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Is that a cherry tree in the background OP?

    They look of that sort of origin, bound to be off something in the garden anyway.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    I really don't think that's a cherry at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    I posted earlier and deleted it because I really wasn't sure but I'll throw a few of my thoughts down again, might trigger a thought in someone else?

    First thought - Hazel - possible but never had it sucker like the OP says this does.

    Second thought - Elm - leaves not incised or pointy enough but did think it was a good one as Elm suckers do look like that.

    Then third idea was - Blackthorn - leaves to large but does sucker just like that.

    Discounted cherry again as the leaves are too wide and not pointy.

    A better picture of the leaves and buds would help. Its annoying because it has to be something really obvious.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,866 ✭✭✭standardg60


    A cherry tree with plum rootstock is why I was asking, they have the look of plum leaves



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 paperdaisy


    Thanks you all for these suggestions - I'm embarrassed to say that I don't know whether the tree in the background is a cherry. I took over this garden three years ago and havene't been giving it the attention it deserves. I'll try to take some more detailed photos tomorrow and hope to report back ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


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    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 paperdaisy


    I’ve had a closer look and the tree in the background does have the same leaves as the mystery plant, so they must be the same tree, maybe a cherry as suggested by standardg60. There were only a few leaves clinging to the mature tree, which has a reddish bark, rather than the pale grey bark of the saplings. I do have a Victoria plum tree in the garden too, so maybe that could be the rootstock... Attaching a few more images. I plan to dig out all but one of the saplings, and come spring, will hopefully be able to confirm what it is. Go raibh míle maith agaibh go léir! 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭macraignil


    My guess would be in the same direction and I think it could be a cherry plum (Prunus cerasifera) and I have read these can be prone to forming suckers as well which would match the description.

    Happy gardening!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,866 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I would imagine that everything is coming from the Victoria plum OP, including what i thought may have been the cherry.

    What you should find when digging down is that all the growth is attached to a submerged root.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op



    Plum rootstocks - orangepippintrees.com/articles/fruit-tree-advice/rootstocks-for-plum-trees

    Krymsk 1, also known as VVA-1, is a new dwarfing cold-hardy rootstock for plum trees. It was developed in Russia and released in 2004. It is related to Prunus cerasifera, the Cherry Plum


    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    Found This little beauty growing in the gravel drive.. any ideas as to what it might be. Thinking some type of alpine, I've nothing similar anywhere in the garden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Looks like Coltsfoot to me http://www.wildflowersofireland.net/plant_detail.php?id_flower=4&Wildflower=Colt%27s-foot Wildflower, I am very envious!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,866 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Admire those lovely flowers OP, then when the round leaves emerge, spray them with glyphosate repeatedly.

    It will take over your entire garden!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    Was reading up on it alright. Its in a area a good bit away from any flower beds or lawn I'll be keeping an eye on it ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Looks like a brassica of some kind but unsure



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    It's a brassica all right... perhaps broccoli?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Interesting! I was actually thinking the same

    It’s literally growing out of a crack in the patio at the base of my parents house…wonder how it got there!



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 77,020 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Actually, I'm an idiot and I was half asleep. I meant to say Brussels sprouts...

    The seed was probably carried by the wind or by birds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Brassicas flower and seed with great enthusiasm, some years it seems that half the weeds in the garden are brassicas, then other years not so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,803 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Hey, you were right. Brussel sprouts is a brassica. And yeah, birds, wind, whatever. Have kales growing in random places in the yard incl. cracks in the concrete as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Cool!

    Will leave it there so, would be too dangerous to the plant to try dig it out and plant it in the veg patch

    Doubtful it’ll get big enough to produce sprouts worth eating but interesting nonetheless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Glyphosphate - please don't! Its banned in lots of places. There have been multi-million dollar payouts by courts in the US to a number of people in relation to glyphosphate causing cancer. This resulted in Montsanto going bust, and then being taken over by Bayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    And there is still no actual proof that it causes cancer.

     ...... The EPA continues to find that there are no risks to public health when glyphosate is used in accordance with its current label.


    One international organization (the International Agency for Research on Cancer) concluded that glyphosate may be a carcinogen, while several others, including the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)/World Health Organization (WHO) Meeting on Pesticide Residues (JMPR), have determined that it is unlikely to be a carcinogen.

    But in the case of most brassica type weeds a dose of a selective weedkiller into the central rosette will easily deal with it. I get a very similar weed Sea Radish all over the garden particular in the lawns and rough grass and it goes over with the slightest whiff of selective weedkiller. Currently I'm using Dicophar which is a mix of 2,4-D, MCPA and Dicamba. For those that love native wildflowers Sea Radish is a short lived perennial (often biannual) which takes over forming massive clumps that in the Autumn die off and decompose producing an unmistakeable smell of rotting cabbage.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    That comment falls into the category of There is no proof that smoking cigarettes causes cancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    I have it in a few spots and never really noticed it spreading much. Lots of dandelions and they spread more rapidly by seed. I just dig dandelions out of flower beds but leave them in the wilder areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    There is no proof full stop. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be a certain amount of caution. Its only an opinion but my thoughts are that glyphosate itself isn't the real bad guy here. I think the real issue is all the other chemicals that Monsanto stick in with the glyphosate to increase the uptake of glyphosate. A chemical designed to break down the protection on a plants leaves can't be great if you breath it or get it on your skin?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,803 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,866 ✭✭✭standardg60


    It's actually banned in very few.

    The school caretaker who was successful in the first civil case was using glyphosate for 3 years, I've been using it for 30. Maybe he was drinking it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    I can beat you there, first time I would have used it would have been 1979 so 40+ years. Its probably the least toxic herbicide I've ever used. Thats when compared to the Gramoxon and Simazine that I used a lot of at the time. In fact apart from Glyphosate based herbicides nearly every one I used to use has since been banned. Considering the toxicity and long term damage some of them did its not surprising they are no longer on the market.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭blackbox


    If you dont want to use any weedkillers, that's fair enough.

    If you do, you are unlikely to find anything safer than glyphosate. Follow instructions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Nice puff piece, from a blog. Have a look at this comment:

    "These results do not show any causal link to anything"

    Now, does this remind you of the sort of argument the tobacco industry used to use? And again:

    ... research ... seems to lead me to the conclusion that glyphosate is “innocent.”

    That's not the great endorsement you might have imagined is it?

    But I'll trump that with:

    "it depends what you mean by “proof”. On the skeptical/Popperian view of science, nothing is ever proven. For classical skeptics (e.g. David Hume), there is simply no proof there to be had; what scientists term “causation” is merely “constant conjunction”. For Popper, there is only failure to disprove,"

    However, if by “proof” you mean the generally-accepted standards of medical proof, I'll direct you back to the court cases that brought Montsanto to its knees. In the real world, cases like these function as a huge big red light for most of us. In general parlance, PROOF enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,803 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    None of the 'hallmark' Monsanto cases proved glyphosate caused cancer.. They proved Monsanto were fuckwits about warning people at best. Anyway, this is the plant ID megathread, and this discussion belongs elsewhere. The link I posted is in fact from a blog, which in turn links to the 200+ studies showing Roundup doesn't cause cancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Indeed, and I doubt that there has ever been any "proof" that tobacco causes cancer either.

    And yes, it's a blog. It doesn't matter how many cases he links to, and I for one do not know whether or not he was paid to write that article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    What are these big plants actually called please? And are they the same ones that produce a big long single flower (if it is a flower and not a fruit or something else) ?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It looks like an Echium, very tall (2m-ish) with small purple flowers making a solid spike. Just a chance it might be Verbascum which has yellow flowers, but it looks more like a Echium. They are common along the Waterford coast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    100% Echium. I've been making them a little more common along the Waterford coast for a few years but they can grow all over the country.

    Very much doubt there will be many around this year they are a tender biannual for the Canary Islands and the cold snap we had earlier in the year killed all the ones in our garden and our neighbours. That won't stop them for long as each plant produces a huge amount of seed with will germinate in future years.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,803 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    FWIW I got some starts last year from a friend with a garden full of them (a walled garden in West Kerry, where the echium have been described as 'day of the triffids' class, huge, glorious when they flower, growing all over like weeds). Two have survived in pots against a wall here despite the occasional ocean squall, one is a few feet high. I plan to repot and move the pots into another area more protected from the endless wind, hopefully they'll get some height on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    If they grow where they seed the one thing they don't need is protection from winds. This surprised me somewhat but a dozen or so that flowered last year on a Waterford headland near me took the brunt of several storms full on and were hardly affected. Thagor's picture suggests that those ones were similarly exposed. Its the cold that kills them.

    Grown on in pots and planted out would be very different. I find they never attain the same strength and easily blow over. Best way I've found of growing them is to get one to grow from a pot and then spread its seed around all over. You are then faced with the task of a lot of thinning out but the plants produced are much better.

    Some of ours easily make more than 3 meters.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    A weird ID question here. Can anyone remember the name of the Amaryllis type HARDY bulbs that the have sold in the past in Lidl. They come in those mixed boxes of bulbs. They might have just been labelled Amaryllis ;-(

    Reason I'm asking is I've a huge clump I planted years ago that has never flowered and I'm guessing at what they are. Fairly sure they aren't Crinums as I have them, the bulbs are similar but the foliage is different. Plus the Crinums flower well.

    Only need the name as I'm digging up a load and giving some away.

    I suspect they might be Hippeastrum x johnsonii - https://www.southernbulbs.com/hardy-amaryllis-bulb-hippeastrum-x-johnsonii/ but as they have never flowered in 20 years I don't know :-)

    Thats half a 20 year old clump that started as three smaller bulbs from Lidl. I should have put something there for scale but the one on the right hand is about 15cm across.

    If anyone knows how to make them flower other than moving to a warmer climate I'd love to know.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I have a notion that you are not likely to get any flowers on them in the garden, iirc its something to do with daylight hours and precise temperatures at various stages of growth, but I am not sure, I have thrown the odd one into the garden but they have never done anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Ours grow well enough plenty of green foliage but never a flower. You might have it about daylength. They are certainly hardy as they must have gone through one winter we had here where it was below zero for two weeks and the ground was frozen down to over 10cm.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,216 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Your ID is correct but I've never seen them flower planted out. They go well in containers that can be placed in flower beds but are mostly kept in conservatory type situations, They absolutely need full sun and must have the shoulder of the bulb above the soil/compost level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    You can see from the picture that the bulbs were a good bit above ground and were in full sun. I've replanted some on the ground with a mix of sharp sand and soil supporting them to see if that helps. Others I've just planted in as near perfect conditions as I can find in a neighbours garden. One clump is now by a south facing wall in full sun with decking 3 meters overhead which should help protect from frost.

    tbh it would be better if the bl00dy things didn't bulk up outside as well as they do.

    I've checked on line and can't find anyone reporting them flowering planted outside in Ireland.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,216 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    As said, they're better in pots, indoors and an addition to any conservatory. Loan based compost is best too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭Gormal


    Can anyone please ID these spikey leaved plants, are they to be rescued, weeds or garden flowers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    They could be cordylines - they eventually end up looking like the imitation palm trees you see around coastal areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭Gormal


    Thank you! I think you could be right, as there is a tree over the road from the site.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭Gormal


    I think the plants I posted are a wildflower Tragopogon pratensis. Bit hard to say if they are all the same, and they should not be in flower yet, but the weather has obviously confused them.



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