Lack of long term camping sites in Dublin!

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 06:26PM #1

Why isnt there several long term sites, where people in Dublin, crucified by the high rents, living in cars, campers, tents, couch surfing etc. Could park their camper, caravan and mobilehome and live there? Its a scandal that this does not exist! Crucify people on rent etc and wont even provide basic facilities, that could help people out in the short to medium term...

Del2005 · 21-10-2022 06:42PM

Have you seen the trailer parks in the USA? We have building regulations for residential living and a camper, motorhome or static caravan doesn't meet them.

The solution to the housing crisis isn't trailer parks or allowing long term residents in camp sites.

SeriousGuy · 21-10-2022 06:42PM

What time did you enquire?

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 06:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776410#Comment_119776410

what is the solution? we going to have abundant and cheap supply in the next few years? nah didnt think so... so just have all of these people living problematically in cars, vans, campers etc, instead of facing up to years of failure and continuing to bury heads in the sand and actually do something to improve peoples situations....

L1011 · 21-10-2022 06:45PM

You'd create a shanty town in an instant.

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 06:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776420#Comment_119776420

I disagree, it would be state run and properly managed, any anti social behavior and they are out on their ear...

L1011 · 21-10-2022 06:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776426#Comment_119776426

How much do you think it would cost the state to run and manage it? Why would they not just spend that money on actual housing, rather than a clean shanty town (it would still be a shanty town)?

Del2005 · 21-10-2022 06:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776416#Comment_119776416

The solution is to build more homes in our cities, the problem is that we don't have the builders to do that.

Trailer parks are not the answer to the problem.

orangerhyme · 21-10-2022 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058268503/lack-of-long-term-camping-sites-in-dublin

I was just saying this to someone recently.

I was thinking those greenfields on the Southside luas near cherrywood would be perfect.

I think it's a good idea. Most trailer parks in America are fine.

It's very low cost for government, they just regulate and zone it.

Residents purchase the camper, trailer or caravan and pay rent to management

chiefwiggum · 21-10-2022 06:58PM

The media would have a field day with hourly news reports from it further highlighting the housing crisis. Does the government want such a visual stick to be beaten with.. you bet they don't!

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 07:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776430#Comment_119776430

because it costs them hundreds of thousand per unit, the output is shambolic... you could built the facilities to house hundreds, for what they would build 3 social houses for...

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776462#Comment_119776462

I agree, but its for cynical reasons they wont do it. But it would actually be a massive improvement or fantastic option for many. Given the state has totally failed on housing and things will get worse...

L1011 · 21-10-2022 07:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776502#Comment_119776502

Building is only one element. How do you propose funding the running of this proto-favela?

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 07:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776512#Comment_119776512

They have endless billions to squander every budget, the figures we would be dealing with, well, they would find more down the back of their expensive dail eireann couches...

L1011 · 21-10-2022 07:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776525#Comment_119776525

So you don't actually have a sound plan for how it would be funded.

Funding it would take more money out of the budget to build actual houses - just as building it would. For a ridiculously subpar option that would probably see people die in winter due to not wanting to spend what is required to heat a campervan, and would definitely end up being permanent - there are entire housing estates of "temporary, ten year" prefab houses built around London and SE England in 1946 still there.

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 07:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776533#Comment_119776533

Interesting, there are people in my area of Dublin 14 living in theirs cars and campers, no power. So they will die when they actually have proper electric hook ups, shower and cooking facilities?

L1011 · 21-10-2022 07:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776549#Comment_119776549

The state is not actively encouraging and facilitating them to do so, as they would in this proposal

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776561#Comment_119776561

not actively, but they are forcing people to do this. Through their failure and inaction...

Furze99 · 21-10-2022 08:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058268503/lack-of-long-term-camping-sites-in-dublin

I think it's a very good question and there really is no excuse for not having facilities like this. Of course, some will moan about trailer parks and the like but it should be as much a part of our housing strategy as building apartments of 3 bed semi ds. Won't suit everyone but will be fine for others.

Personally I think partly the reason is that Irish people have got too snobbish & spoilt. When I was young, a camping holiday in Ireland was fairly normal. But that became too much hardship and with cheap flights and holidays abroad, staying in hotels etc has become more the norm. So the idea that people would choose to live in a mobile home or caravan or even camp now for a period, is beyond those that make such decisions. They look down on it.

sprucemoose · 21-10-2022 09:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776426#Comment_119776426

have you ever been to a council estate by any chance......?

dory · 21-10-2022 09:56PM

There's nothing stopping a person going and staying in one for whatever their max stay is. Then going somewhere else for a week or two, and then heading back again to their preferred location. I know of a YouTuber who lives in his caravan year round (in the UK) and stays in campsites the whole time, works remotely. You can make it work if you work remotely and can keep moving.

Like others have said, the last thing any government wants is to be the government that admitted defeat and created a long term campsite.

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 10:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777017#Comment_119777017

Yeah ... the difference and irony here would be, the people living out of cars and campers are working

Murph85 · 21-10-2022 10:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777206#Comment_119777206

Its e35 a night to stay in the Dublin one. Might aswell rent a dive of a studio for that amount...

db · 22-10-2022 12:05PM

We have enough halting sites already and that is basically what you are proposing to build more of.

Wanderer78 · 22-10-2022 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058268503/lack-of-long-term-camping-sites-in-dublin

heres a mental idea, why not build suitable accommodation such as standard 3/4 bed houses and 1/2 bed apartments, i know, i know, a mental idea!

Del2005 · 22-10-2022 12:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776502#Comment_119776502

The cost of building a home is mostly the cost of meeting building regulations for a habitual building. The garden sheds, static caravans, motorhomes or cars don't meet building regulations. If you want to cut building regulations you could build a 3 bed for about €50k, but it'd be impossible to heat and have no fire safety just the same as a trailer.

Look at the mica and pyrite scandals to see what lack of popper checks leads to, then look at the even bigger scandal of the boom era apartment blocks to see why we need tighter regulations not looser regulations for homes.

22-10-2022 12:57PM

There's already one on Dunsink Lane

Murph85 · 22-10-2022 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778863#Comment_119778863

Laugh out loud. Two of my mates built rooms in their garden. Ten thousand euro. 70mm warmboarded etc. 25 sq m. Or they could rent slums in house shares for the rest of their lives, because they are only on 50k in dublin...

People are living in cars and tents and your solution is a rolls Royce standard. Are you a politician or planner by any chance?

Murph85 · 22-10-2022 02:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778733#Comment_119778733

Well wanderer. I agree. So why isn't it being done? I mean you're right, great idea, but things with housing are getting worse. As per many articles in the Irish times etc, not just the opinion of a ranting boards.ie in your opinion, I.e me...

Murph85 · 22-10-2022 02:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778714#Comment_119778714

I'm not suggesting travellers move in... so it wouldnt be a halting site

dory · 22-10-2022 11:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119779333#Comment_119779333

What's the plan if you're living in your long-term caravan park and they rock up some day? 🙂 We have laws against discrimination.

Lack of long term camping sites in Dublin!

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