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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://t.me/c/1115690634/59210


    Tomorrow, Ukrainians will also face a temporary restriction of electricity.

    In the morning, Ukrenergo will inform in which regions there will be outages:

    "Read more detailed information about power outages in your region on the website of your regional energy company. And remember - the more you save electricity today, the fewer emergency power outages will occur."

    The Ukraine electrical system is buckling.

    I haven't seen such a dire warning before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    They will be fine will only copper fasten the Ukrainian Resolve. They slept underground in the worst of the start of the war. No central heating very little lights. They are a hardy people. Would not call for their downfall just yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They're probably not wrong to think it, they do and have got away with very questionable actions for many years. They don't care about slap on wrists, stern diplomatic language or sanctions.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Unless you go full obliteration and have the numbers to go in afterwards attacking civillians and civillian infrastructure pretty much never works for an attacking army. If anything it increases resolve in the defenders.

    This is just Hamburg after Allied bombing in WW2.

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    German production actually went up and resistance against overwhelming odds stayed fierce until their leader was dead. And those attacking had near total air superiority, far more troops and tanks and munitions and more coming day by day. Russia doesn't.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Unless you are flying a Russian one, then its The theme from M.A.S.H



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    I guess that's what happens when you just can't help yourself on Twitter and mouth off about speaking with Putin:-

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-21/us-weighs-security-reviews-for-musk-deals-including-twitter-buy?sref=CV3b9v13

    "Biden administration officials are discussing whether the US should subject some of Elon Musk’s ventures to national security reviews, including the deal for Twitter Inc. and SpaceX’s Starlink satellite network, according to people familiar with the matter.

    US officials have grown uncomfortable over Musk’s recent threat to stop supplying the Starlink satellite service to Ukraine -- he said it had cost him $80 million so far -- and what they see as his increasingly Russia-friendly stance following a series of tweets that outlined peace proposals favorable to President Vladimir Putin. They are also concerned by his plans to buy Twitter with a group of foreign investors"

    Even the Russian propagandists are getting annoyed with him and want to shoot down his satellites, doing well annoying both the US and the Russians:-

    Post edited by GM228 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane



    Lol. Easy for you to say they will be fine from the comfort of your keyboard, surrounded by heating, fresh water and electricity. You obviously don't understand the devastation been without power can cause especially on a large scale like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭storker


    Funny how people don't learn. The British saw how the Blitz stiffened resolve rather than breaking it, but assumed that it would break German resolve because, you know...British. Turned out to be a false assumptian because resliience in the face of bombing isn't a British or German trait, it's a human trait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭thomil


    Somewhat unrelated to the topic, but I remember my grandmother talking about that attack. She lived outside the city center of Hamburg, but according to her, they'd see an orange glow in the direction of the city for nights on end afterwards. She also said that, taking the train into Hamburg afterwards, it would roll through ruined landscapes for 20-30 minutes, with some buildings still smoldering.

    When you think about it, it's incredible just how close we still are to these events. I'm pretty sure that a lot of Germans my age know of similar stories.

    Life is far too serious to be taken seriously!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Were they also hoping to push some of their biggest rivals into even closer alliances than before? And plunge everyone into a food and energy crisis? And have their lapdogs the Saudis, effectively help to bankroll Russia's war effort through OPEC?

    Ah yes, this is real 4D chess being played by uncle Joe over in Washington. The grand master plan is all coming together nicely.

    Whether Russia fell into a trap, or were pushed into a trap... or just felt like messing up whatever objectives the west had in Ukraine... It's all a bit of a moot point really. Because a hell of a lot of people will have to suffer and lose, in order to produce whatever victory these leaders might be envisaging - on all sides.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia withdraws S300 from Syria. Interesting timing, so does this mean one of the main Israeli reasons for not providing military aid is now gone and we'll see a policy change there?

    Or was it actually a favour/deal from the Russians for Israel not increasing their support to Ukraine?

    Meanwhile..

    "The 28-page UN report, which will be presented to the General Assembly on October 27, accuses Israel of violating international law by making its control over the West Bank permanent, and by annexing land claimed by the Palestinians in Jerusalem and the West Bank, and Syrian land in the Golan Heights."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No one forced Russia to send their raping, murdering, torturing, and stealing army into Ukraine except Putin. The war is 100% on the back of Russia, and not one single person anywhere else is to blame. All the knock on effects are fully due to Russia too.

    If I don’t like my next door neighbour because they are more successful, have nicer things, have plants that grow better in their garden, or even if they are an ignoramus, should I have the right to rape, murder, torture, and steal their home?


    ETA: as I know you don’t seem to understand a lot outside of what Russian propaganda feeds you and will do everything to avoid answering….the answer any decent human would give is ‘no’.

    Post edited by Fighting Tao on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228




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    Resulting in an increase in Israeli aid to Ukraine now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    And yet this is the route that UKRAINIANS have chosen. It is not your decision to take lizzy, it is not mine, it is not Putins it is not Bidens, the right to determine the future of Ukraine lies solely with Ukrainians. They have made that decision.


    In the face of that clear decision that Ukrainians have made, the only role the rest of the world can take is to ignore/oppose/or support them. There is clearly only 1 morally correct route of those 3 and yours is morally incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes bombing cities is a very ineffective way of winning a war. After the initial terror people adapt and know what to do. With fire safety improvements over the years it’s even less effective. There has been no firestorms across whole swathes of cities like there was in WW2. Concrete doesn’t really burn like the old wooden structures of the past and there are a lot more fire resistant materials in buildings nowadays. So just bombing a probable empty building to partially destroy it does not seem very worthwhile. But it is easier than going in street by street fighting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Yes but maybe that is too late now. Once land is annexed it is very hard to claim back especially off a super power armed with nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    And yet 4 weeks ago they retook large parts of the North, and the next few days/couple of weeks they will retake Kherson. Russia is not a superpower with Nuclear weapons, its a minnow with nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    I must of missed that referendum?


    But surely the basis of prolonging the war because the people have already suffered is quite bizarre to say the least.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    Whether Russia fell into a trap, or were pushed into a trap... or just felt like messing up whatever objectives the west had in Ukraine... It's all a bit of a moot point really.

    They're not the three possible explanations for the situation. Russia unilaterally invaded Ukraine in an illegal expansionist land-grab. That is the reason and the only reason. They've done it before and got away with it, they're doing it now and they'll keep doing it until they're stopped.

    That's not a moot point, it's a very good reason to attempt to make sure that this is the last time they do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    There you go Lizzy, the masked slipped. Who is the president of Ukraine? Who elected him?


    Do you prefer to take the sham referrendums held by Russia as the equal of the parliamentary and presidential elections of Ukraine, if that is your position then you are nothing more than a Russian propagandist pretending to have concern about peace.

    Post edited by paul71 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    No, this "pretend annexation" has convinced no one.

    In years to come, Ukrainian tourist guides will inform their guests "interestingly, all of this area was deemed Russian by Russians, but with no real possibility of imposing that view it is now simply a curiosity".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa



    If the Ukrainians wanted to lay down their arms and let Russia take over, they would have done that. It would be far more definitive than any referendum. But no, they choose to fight and fight hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Did Zelensky get the madate from the Ukranian citizens on the back of continuing this war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Amazing series Trauma zone. It’s about the fall of the Soviet Union made up entirely of BBC footage from the time. All episodes on YouTube.

    This episode features the first mvasion of Chechnya and the bombing and the Grozny. Russia has always been a dysfunctional terrorist state spreading misery all around Europe. Russia needs to be dismantled as it just continues killing its own people and the people of surrounding areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Yes, everyday that 300,000 brave Ukrainians stand and fight against rapists, murderers, theives, and torturers. They do that with the support of their families and friends in full view of a world wide free press Lizzy. Do you doubt that Lizzy? Do you see opposition expressed by Ukrainians to the Presidents position Lizzy? Do you see dissent expressed in the Ukrainian Parliament Lizzy? Do you accept that the free press have access to the people and Parliament of Ukraine Lizzy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,694 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    There's a bit more to it than that.

    Strategic bombing is a military strategy used in total war with the goal of defeating the enemy by destroying its morale, its economic ability to produce and transport materiel to the theatres of military operations, or both

    If there a lot of infrastructure, manufacturing and transport hubs in the cities. Then it definitely does have an effect on that, but also the resources consuming in defending against it is vast. It has happened since WWII, (we are seeing it Ukraine) but generally accuracy (still not 100%) has improved. So you can precision (ish) target in a city. Hence we are seeing intensive bombing of infrastructure in the Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut




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