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Why is Dublin such a shιtty city?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Unfortunately there is no Irish version but anyway

    Not everything and every opinion you don't like is "dogwhistle " ( made up wokery word) and "racism"

    In many parts of the city gentrification can be seen.

    Gentrification by definition means the original residents are uprooted and pushed out.

    In Dublin they are being replaced by immigrants.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?



    you realise those 2 graphs don’t even show correlation?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    You sound like you don't care about victims of crime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    We both know Irelands population has increased rapidly in the past 20 years. Our economic success story attracts immigrants. Many of the immigrants are highly qualified and need somewhere to live while others have little to no qualification and end up being housed by city Council. Dublin city Council is paying 3k a month for some social apartments.

    Cities in all and every country are constantly being redeveloped and built up.

    So no "great replacement " conspiracy theory just fact and reality .

    But you know this but its easier to shout "dogwhistle , racism and conspiracy theory than it is to actually debate factually.

    "Every opinion I don't like is Hitler"



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    That’s a very strange conclusion. Of course I care, I want crime prevented. I don’t think locking people up and throwing away the key will do that, based on everything I’ve read.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You’re the only mentioning Hitler. I’m quite happy to debate actually, I really am. That doesn’t mean the other poster I replied to isn’t a bigot using racist dog whistles, because he most certainly is. I’ve tried to debate and been ignored.


    I’m interested in your solutions to the perceived problems in Dublin. I don’t think they’re that bad so I’m in no position to really offer solutions, beyond generalities.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    And yet you don't seem to understand the simple fact that when a scumbag is in prison society outside of the prison is protected from that scumbag



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I do understand that. I’m not against sending people to prison - I’m against the idea that it’s the only solution. The poster I replied thinks if we lock them all up, problem solved. That’s a gross over simplification

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    No we just want to put criminals into jail like every normal society



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m curious. Do you think we incarcerate people at a lower rate in Ireland than most countries?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Increase drug (cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, amphetamine) dealing sentences to similar to countries in South East Asia and the middle East.

    No point in bothering to keep up this charade war in drugs otherwise. Open dealing, multiple convictions etc. It's not a deterant.

    Il tell you what is a deterant: caught dealing heroin.- 25 years in prison. No chance of early out.

    Generations getting addicted to heroin and the cycle of misery being passed on because highly addictive drugs are everywhere.

    Addicts are victims. Too late for many to change but severe penalties for street level dealing to try to break the cycle of drugs on the street

    300 euro worth of heroin in wrap bags- 20 years no parole etc

    Current legal system not functional

    Legalise cannabis



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Wowsers.


    I’m curious, why would you legalize only cannabis? I’d happily legalise all drugs.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Nobody is lying in an alleyway covered in vomit with a joint in their mouth.

    Or wandering around town in rags collecting change for their next bong hit.

    Cannabis is safer than alcohol but is still a drug and should be treated responsibly. 18 years old, licenced sellers , quality control etc

    I remember a couple of months ago there was a story about some guy who died in a flat in Dublin. He was an addict and was allowing his flat to be used by addicts. I remember the news saying that he had been dead for days in the flat and others had covered him with newspapers and bags in a room while they continued to get high. That is extreme addiction. Nobody willingly wants to live like that.

    The absolute parasites who sell and prey on these people are literally killing them and are ruining society. They should receive extreme sentences for the harm they are doing.

    The cycle must be broken . The next wave of would be dealers should see that caught with100 euro worth of heroin and they would be getting 20 years in jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,171 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    We had more extensive transport systems (built by the naughty old Brits) but we hated them so much and thought we knew better so we got rid of them and hopped into our shiny new cars, ironically that time they were mostly British made cars.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Interesting, thanks.


    I don’t agree that increased criminalisation would be effective. Look at what happened in the US when minimum sentencing was introduced for crack in the 90s. Thousands of street dealers went to prison and the problem stayed the same.


    Hard drugs have been illegal for a century and the war on drugs has been lost. Stop it, use the money saved on prison and Gardaí for education and rehab. Teach people personal responsibility. Drug laws are the very definition of the nanny state. We need to teach people how to make the right decisions, not punish them for making the wrong ones.


    The drug debate begins and ends with personal responsibility for me. Treat people like children and they’ll behave like children.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Fancy pointing out where I stated that its the only solution?

    It's a great start but its one that the chattering classes can't abide.

    Great description of those types here: "they think that they are responsible but they take away responsibility from other people" Well worth a watch.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    I agree except for the fact that these drugs can turn people into life long addicts and destroy their lives.

    If drugs were just bad for your health then legalise away. Every man and woman for themselves but its the extreme risk of addiction and what it does to people and how it can turn areas into complete kips. It's bad for society. It's a disease. It ruins families etc etc.

    There is no benefit to any of us as a society to make drugs like heroin openly available to purchase.

    What is the point in making it legal and having a whole host of people who would have never gone near it if it remained illegal and unaccepted by society end up as addicts.

    What is the benefit to them and to society


    I say legalise cannabis and use the revenue to go after heroin dealing in particular but only if extreme sentences are introduced . Otherwise there is no point in bothering.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Tallaght, ballymun, finglas and then a street. Come on. Have you been to any of these places?

    If I could afford a gaff in old bawn/firhouse I'd be there in a shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I do. The more important fact is that we have quite a lenient legal system and this lenientcy is doing a lot of damage to Dublin. If you commit a crime and get someone like Judge Nolan you don't need to worry. Rehabilitation is great in theory but it costs more money and it's not guaranteed to work.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You can make the same argument about tobacco and alcohol. They cause far more damage in society than heroin. At the end of the day it isn’t the heroin that makes someone an addict, the vast majority of heroin addicts would find something else to be addicted to.


    Addiction isn’t just about the substance, the root cause is often trauma.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    We actually have a higher incarceration rate than a lot of EU countries. You can find the data pretty easily. Japan has a much lower rate and is much safer. Locking people up and safety don’t really correlate

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Iv told you the story about people ignoring a dead body so they could continue to use the apartment to get high. You are saying its comparable to smoking fags?

    Heroin addiction is not comparable to nicotine addiction

    Its what heroin addiction does to someone.

    You might tip out of the office 10 for a quick smoke and ring a client or something

    You aren't tipping out of the office at 10 to inject heroin and ring a client!

    We obviously disagree on things both both agree that the current status quo is a waste of time and not working.

    Both agree with cannabis legalisation too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    A total kip. A bit of a lightening storm results in virgin media tv and broadband outage still now for near 24hrs.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I meant they do more harm to society at large. Their impact is bigger on a group level. Heroin is much more detrimental to the individual user. I know several people who’s lives were destroyed by it, grew up in Tallaght in the 80/90s.


    My mother also work on a methadone program for a while and was an addiction counsellor. So I have huge sympathy for heroin addicts. But I just don’t see further criminalisation as the solution.


    We can definitely agree that the current situation isn’t working.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,936 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    All I want is to be able to enjoy a night out with my family and not be hassled by scrotes and junkies.

    Spend my money to keep people in jobs and businesses viable.

    Thats what makes the world go round.

    Far too many clippers and jousters mollycoddling these individuals and allowing the tail to wag the dog.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm so tired of these bullshit conspiracies being acceptable parts of normal discourse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    If the heroin addict is working hard to get clean they deserve sympathy. If they are not then they dont deserve sympathy as they are part of a cancer that ruins society.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




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