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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭zv2


    The Iranian army/air force should be destroyed - utterly.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    It's completely misleading too. The world's largest country is China. It's not a democracy. The average person has no say in who their representatives are. The position of China at the UN is the position of the Chinese Communist Party and even more accurately, these days it's the position of a single man - Xi Jinping.

    Similar logic applies to other countries who abstained or voted against:

    • Algeria
    • Belarus
    • Burundi
    • Cuba
    • North Korea
    • Eritrea
    • Eswatini
    • Guinea
    • Kazakhstan
    • Laos
    • Mali
    • Nicaragua
    • Russia itself
    • Sudan
    • Syria
    • Tajikistan
    • Togo
    • Uganda
    • Uzbekistan
    • Vietnam
    • Zimbabwe


    If the poster wanted to be accurate and truthful (and judging by their posting history there's a big question mark over whether they have any interest in that goal) they could instead say:

    The undemocratic regimes, that control the countries where, nearly half* the world's population lives, chose not to support the measure.


    *India being democratic probably keeps it under half



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Vlad Vexler talked about these shows in one of his Youtube videos before. So the way he described it is that it's more of a performance than an actual political debate show. Each of the people on stage has their own role to fulfill. They're not necessarily reading lines from a script but they'd be assigned a certain ideological lane that they need to keep within. The Kremlin then uses the feedback from social media/radio phone ins as their own form of polling of the greater population.

    It also helps to have a dissenting voice on just so they can be shot down by hawks, as in this video. This would maybe assuage the viewer at home, who perhaps had seen this video on Ukrainian Telegram and was troubled by the fact that they had a different origin story for it.

    One of the big tells that these shows aren't organic is that it's actually pretty rare for interruptions to happen. Like you'd often see 7 or 8 people on stage and yet one of them has a 4 minute monologue. That would never happen on a Western politics show. People would be pouncing on every point that they made. When I first observed this phenomenon I thought perhaps that this was a cultural thing. Perhaps Russians were just more respectful of whoever the current speaker was. Now though I think it's just discouraged by the producers as it's annoying as a watcher to hear people butting in all of the time.

    Russian politics works in a similar manner. Almost all of the "opposition" parties in the Duma are state controlled and the speeches that they give are made to order. You don't have to worry about rigging elections if you just make sure that any real opposition cannot take part in the democratic process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    2 people wounded as result of shelling in Shebekino of Belgorod region

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    IMO Unless Russia has a bottomless/replinishable supply of the things in reserve and so can launch lots each day for a considerable period + most of these continue to hit the right targets (as Ukraine will presumably adapt to the tactic), they are not going to "cripple" Ukraine (or its ability to generate and distribute electricity) with them. Ukraine is a big country.

    yeah they can degrade it maybe even "cripple" it in certain areas they may focus on, and cause misery to civilians, and murder + terrorise (about only thing Russian military has had success with as a strategy in their invasion). That is it.

    Given the will Ukraine seems to have to continue fighting them, provided of course Western backers get the finger out some more, accept the reality they are in a vital struggle quite close to a war with Russia (and friends...!) now they have to succeed in for themselves and their people as much as for Ukraine...I don't think it will change the outcome here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Exactly my point, the difference is Iran is not threatening nations with sanctions because who they sell weaponry to, as they do it themselves. What moral standpoint would they have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    The numbers beg to differ.

    The 50 nations that didn't back the resolution, account for more than half of the world's population.

    And even many who did back such largely symbolic resolutions - like Turkey who I mentioned - are actually still prepared to work with Russia. So really, they are nowhere near as isolated as the west would like to make them. This has been a failure of western leadership and policy, and nations are rejecting their sanctions based approach.

    It's an outdated and unpopular approach to global leadership. It doesn't work, and this is why we're seeing such a strong backlash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭lizzyjane


    Lol. I just don't understand the complete arrogance of this post. Do you think if that happens there won't be retaliation on the streets of Europe?

    Have you not seen the devastation other wars in the middle east has caused the last few decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭zv2


    I doubt that these government votes represent their people's opinions. The Brits voted for Brexit but many of them didn't.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Your new global order approach to "world leadership" developed in your posts is you can do what you like in your own borders to your own people without even flimsy + often ignored criticism of it today provided by structures of post WW2 mostly Western-created order (like the UN you hate + criticise, with its charter and the various international treaties) and you can also like Russia go into a neighbour soveriegn and do same to their own people (who are now "your" people!) if you have the strength and the willingness, just like period pre WW2.

    It's not a bright shining global community replacing the Western order, it's a very bleak throwback to the past, particularly if you are from one of world's many low population, weak, small states. Can you fill me in on the positives of the new global community and order for Ireland/Irish people please? Seems more like a prison planet for humanity if likes of China, N. Korea, Syria, Iran, and Russia are the trailblazers showing the way. edit: sps

    Post edited by fly_agaric on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Bog standard or not, it's able to shift, and well able for that road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The noises suggest Russia's stay on the north bank of the Dnieper (i.e. Kherson) may be coming to an end shortly.

    That would certainly be the biggest victory of the war so far for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Strelkov pictured in Rostov in military garb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    It's worse than that. As I pointed out in post #66641 above, the vast majority of those countries are authoritarian. The people living in them don't get a free and fair vote to decide their country's leaders and thus their foreign policy. @Run Forest Run is pushing a blatantly misleading view of that UN vote because there is no other way to spin such a resounding condemnation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You are not going to unite two different factions of Islam that have been in disagreement with each other since the death of Mohammad. In fact, the death of Mohammad triggered the first inter Islamic war. Because it is based on who should succeed him, and it continues to this day, and sometimes with as they say " Extreme Violence", Yemen- Saudi being current examples, but it triggered the Iran - Iraq war too where millions lost their lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,322 ✭✭✭Guffy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Which 'they'? (genuinely don't know) And if Russia, doesn't that mess up the Crimean water supply?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Reports and video of Russian attacks on Ukrainian power plants all morning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I'm not surprised at all, since the MAGA base have clearly turned on Ukraine and they drive Republican Party policy now. I'm still disgusted though.


    FiveThirtyEight currently have the Republicans with a 73% to have the majority in the House after the election and when the new session begins in January.

    My understanding is that if McCarthy is the leader of the House he has the power to choose what legislation is introduced and so could simply block any further aid bills - even if there are a minority in his own party who would disagree with him.

    I think the Lend Lease would still be ok since that was signed into law - this would instead affect the aid bills we see getting passed every week or two.

    Also a lot of speculation that this is a dog whistle to Russia to ramp up their bot networks assisting the Republicans for the elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,322 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Occupation authorities started to dump water at Kakhovska dam, warning about possible flooding downstream




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    So are you proposing that only nations that prescribe to a western style political system of governance should have a say in how our world is run? Because it sounds like that's what you're suggesting?

    Nations like China should be frozen out and ignored, just because they don't govern their nation in manner to the west's pleasing? Or worse, sanctioned and turned into an isolated pariah state, if they have the audacity to see the world differently to the west?

    More than a quarter of those 143 nations that backed that UN resolution, are some of the smallest nations on the planet - well under a million people. Some of them with populations of 10K... so if you want to talk about misleading views, we could start with how misleading that number of 143 is, and how it doesn't really paint the picture of widespread global consensus that you would like to imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    besides 'causing a big mess'; what does that achieve militarily?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Oh, I agree with you that the UN needs a shake up. Starting by removing uncivilised countries such as Russia would be a perfect start. They could apply to rejoin once they decide the want to be part of the world civilisation and prove it through their deeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Martial law declared in the annexed regions:-




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I like the way that you just projected an opinion onto me that I didn't say and just went with that. That's right out of the Russian playbook.

    My issue is with you implying that the majority of the world were on the side of those wishing not to condemn Russia. The reality is that the majority of people in those countries don't get even the smallest say in the matter. Any conversations on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing are besides the point but I get why you want to pivot to the "hypocrisy of the West" which is another trick from the Russian playbook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    "You" can run "your" world whatever way you like, maybe just ease up on the oul' terrorism, murder, rape etc in other nations, and keep that wonderful non-western way of life within your own borders. See?

    Also, why even engage in such a Western site as boards.ie? What exactly do you want? Is there not a non-western equivalent where you could share your progressive views with other like-minded thinkers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We can all see where Run Forest is coming from - a metaphorical if not an actual Russian who fled to the West, rather than the likes of Iran or North Korea or India, whose societies they espouse as models. Just like the Russian squaddies driven from forests in occupied Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,038 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "This big diverse basket of free, democratic countries is bad and here's why"

    We get it. In my late teens and early twenties I also read Chomsky and had these edgy world views. Do you have any actual thoughts on the conflict or are you here to endlessly soapbox every autocrat's talking points?



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