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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,167 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Screenshot_20221018-124935_YouTube.jpg

    I am in total agreement with that survey.

    Only less than a 5th of fans want more sprint races so that is good with me. Hope it stays like that or goes down even abd more people start to see sense and want less to no sprint races.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I agree with that survey too. More people in favour of sprints than those who want fewer.

    49% want the same or more sprints and 46% want fewer sprints.

    Fair play for making the case that the plurality of fans are already happy with the sprints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,167 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Rubbish.

    In that case I could just as easily say that 81% wants fewer sprint races.

    And only 19% want more using your logic.

    That's good with me.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You could say that but not based on the survey you posted. Only 46% want fewer sprints and 49% want more sprints or are happy with the same.

    Just as a matter of interest, how would you interpret the stats to support the claim that 81% want fewer sprints? I read it as 46% want fewer sprints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,167 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Just as a matter of interest, how would you interpret the stats to support the claim that 81% want fewer sprints? I read it as 46% want fewer sprints.

    The same you read it that 35 per cent who say keep the current amount might want more sprints I read it that maybe a per centafe if them woukfmd prefer less or no sprints at all but if I use your logic which is the 35% + the 19% equal 54 per cent want more then it also works with 35% + 46% = 81% want less.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah right. So you're interpreting "keep the current amount" as wanting less. Why would you do that?

    And if you don't understand statistics, why did you bring them up in the first place?

    Fact is, your stat shows a plurality of fans surveyed (49%) are happy with the current number of sprint races or want even more sprints, ehile only 46% want fewer sprints. Is that the point you were trying to make?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ehhh, that wasn't what they asked them in the survey. So how do you know if people are in favour of keeping them if they had no option to voice that? Odd way of reading into a survey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    It's also a poll on YouTube that doesn't (that I can see anyway) show many many people voted, can you really rely on that as the voice of the full F1 fanbase? I'd wager not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    So last week Craig Slater, the only presenter on Sky who tends to deal in facts and could pass themselves off as a credible journalist, said his sources reported that the minor overspend from Red Bull was due to differences between Red Bull and the FIA in their interpretation of long term sick pay. In the last day or two some websites have picked up reports that suggest the difference was over Adrian Newey's wages.

    If both of those are true, it doesn't take much of a leap to look at the fact that Newey was in a serious cycling accident last July, which left him hospitalised and put him out of work until October. If Red Bull believed sick pay wasn't included and the FIA later decided it should be then that would show the discrepancy between the submission that was under budget and the interpretation the FIA came up with to take it slightly over.

    Other theories are that, as the rules state the top 3 highest paid employees are exempt, Newey was obviously one of those and therefore exempt in Red Bull's eyes, but the FIA have decided he shouldn't count as he's not a full time employee and does other work outside of F1, therefore his entire salary counts towards the budget and it's actually their fourth highest paid employee on a significantly smaller wage that is exempt instead, which would again be a different interpretation to take them over the budget.

    Still speculation of course. Nobody knows the details except for the FIA auditors themselves and whichever one of them was directly feeding information to Toto Wolff in advance, even Red Bull themselves didn't know as the whole process has been shrouded in secrecy. Hopefully the FIA come clean and shed light on the procedure soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    If I asked you to pick between:

    A: Getting punch in the face

    B: Getting a kick in the head

    C: Getting a slap on the arse

    There is no option for you to avoid any of these...so to say that people want to keep Sprints when they never had that option to pick from, that is a bit misleading.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    C is the lesser of 3 evils, but I do see the point you're making. I didn't take too much notice of the options on the poll being honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,140 ✭✭✭muckwarrior




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09



    It'd not an odd way of interpreting the results, it's just a poor survey. Any decent survey should have included an option forgetting rid of sprints.

    I didnt bring it up. Someobe else posted it and didn't get what it actually days. But given the data presented, more fans surveyed want the same or more sprints races (49%), than want fewer sprint races (46%). Are we agreed on that much from that survey?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Right. And if you were asked to respond to this survey and you want zero sprint races, which option would you have picked from the options in the survey?

    Would you have picked C "fewer sprint races" or would the situation have confuses you so much you wouldn't have known what answer to give?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You're right, in the sense that "Any" can mean "All" but doesn't necessarily all - as we learned in Abu Dhabi last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    We are, but can we also agree that what you were saying was not what was asked in that survey?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Less of course, but that wouldnt mean I am currently happy with the Sprint races at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,593 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I thought there was breaking news of some kind when I saw this blowing up. Cmon guys ya'll know not to feed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure. It didn't ask if they're in favour of sprint races. It asked if they want more, the same or fewer. And the plurality want more or the same which I characterised "in favour" of sprint races. I suppose I thought that if they weren't in favour of sprint races, they would have chosen option C and said they want fewer sprints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The plurality want less...49% voted for less sprint races. No clue what you are saying here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Right, but it was over 3 options. You can't just put 2 other options together and say the majority voted one way over the other when the majority actually voted for less...46%, 35% and 19%.

    It was a survey of 3 options. Not 2.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Jfc please stop with the semantics over some badly constructed internet poll

    We could be speculating on developments for next year or the next race, anything at all but this crap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I'll summarize by saying you can't draw the conclusion from the poll that more people are in favour when that is not what question was asked. So to draw that as a take away is misleading. There are/could be other factors as well such as why are they polling, Is it to save cash, is it to add excitement, to add money to ticket prices etc.

    If it is to just do a pulse check, you can argue that it is to stay the same, but that wasn't the genesis of the survey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Apologies. You're right, it's 54% want more or the same number of sprint races. A minority want fewer sprint races. From that we can conclude that the majority are in favour of at with a least the number of sprints we currently have and 19% even want more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,167 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Actually only 19% voted fir more and 81% for less if your looking at it like that as I already said to El_dod09

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,593 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Mario Andretti will have the last corner of the Circuit Of The Americas named after him. The name of the corner will be 'The Andretti'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Christ, we can't conclude that when that is not what was asked in the first place. Read the original proposition of the survey, it wasn't if there is a 'want', its if there is a 'need'. There is a difference here with this.



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