BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

16-10-2022 09:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753851#Comment_119753851

I don't think you grasp the level of tax avoidance facilitation offered by the square mile. The main trigger for the bexit referendum was when Cameron failed to get exemptions from the upcoming EU money laundering directive. Tax avoidance is the industry of London.

breezy1985 · 16-10-2022 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753911#Comment_119753911

Its just the same old "all sides" shte we have been hearing for a while now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753932#Comment_119753932

Just an edgelord account that won't be around for long.

Akrasia · 16-10-2022 09:35PM

For those who wonder why trickle down economics and the torynomics is making people miserable, this video is really useful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fffQxDeKvQo&t=927s

Akrasia · 16-10-2022 09:38PM

If you get 100 euros extra from the budget, but the rich get a thousand euros from the budget

Then you are worse off.

that extra 100 euros you got is just a distraction, you're falling farther and farther behind

Dingaan · 16-10-2022 09:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753996#Comment_119753996

....

Beasty · 16-10-2022 09:44PM

Packrat threadbanned

breezy1985 · 16-10-2022 09:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119754009#Comment_119754009

Far more important is the fact that you will probably spend that 100e on stuff you really need which benefits the economy but the "good honest rich people who got rich from working hard and pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" will just add it to their overflowing offshore bank accounts.

Akrasia · 16-10-2022 09:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119754023#Comment_119754023

I was just sharing a useful link that I agree with.

I think this guy makes the points pretty well

As a summary, we should be taxing the billionaires to reduce wealth inequality.

Allowing unlimited wealth accumulation is insane

Seth Brundle · 16-10-2022 10:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753495#Comment_119753495

Tories playing the public for fools

...so absolutely nothing different there so!

Faugheen · 17-10-2022 10:31AM

This is absolutely wild.

Jeremy Hunt basically on the PM role with the title of CX. Liz Truss can't surely survive this.

Leroy42 · 17-10-2022 10:36AM

How can the Tories themselves survive this, never mind Truss? There is simply no democratic will for Hunt to be the defacto PM. The MP's have undertaken a coup - while we might all agree that Truss is terrible it is not acceptable that a party that has rules for you gets to be leader simply ignores them.

Hunt was rejected twice and now he gets to be in charge? Whatever about Truss not having a mandate from the public, at least she had a mandate from her own party and thus within the rules.

ancapailldorcha · 17-10-2022 10:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755368#Comment_119755368

The thing with Hunt is that he's the lesser of several evils. There's virtually nobody preferable IMO to be de facto leader of the party.

The UK's political model is too heavily based on conventions and etiquette. Fine when said conventions were observed but now that the Tories are showing contempt for them, they need to replaced with proper checks and balances.

How is it preferable that Truss had a mandate from her own party? We're talking about a few hundred MPs and 0.2% of the electorate here. None of this is democratic.

Rawr · 17-10-2022 10:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755346#Comment_119755346

Yea, I'm getting that vibe too. That Truss is merely PM in name only and that Hunt has been designated as her....babysitter I guess? Babysitter PM?

I get the feeling that they knew well among themselves that a new leadership contest so soon after the previous one, in the middle of financial madness, could not be spun positively no matter what they tried. At least the previous contest had the bonus of getting rid of BoJo, but doing it again because the process delivered a feckless idiot last time can't look good.

So now they have to pretend that Truss is actually a PM while Hunt & Co. run the show. Problem is that she still needs to speak in public, and she's just so very bad at that...so it will be interesting to see how long this arrangement will even last.

cezanne · 17-10-2022 10:55AM

Imagine she actually thought she was the next Maraget Thatcher, the delusion of it she hasnt got the class or strength of Thatcher not fit to wipe her shoes none of them are. Her attempts at public speaking are also atrocious at least Boris was interesting and educational and even fun, but this bird is just pathetic I cant believe the Tory membership thought she was ace they need to be weeded out too & a few of them dragged into the 21st century !.

17-10-2022 10:55AM

The problem is that Truss has official duties such as meeting the king on a regular basis. Hunt cannot perform these duties so it will make administering this bodge even more difficult.

Timberrrrrrrr · 17-10-2022 10:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755444#Comment_119755444

"she still needs to speak in public, and she's just so very bad at that"

PMQ's on Wednesday is going to be interesting to say the least. She can't even roll out her "we saved people money with our energy plan, Labour only wanted to help people for six months" mantra.

If she turns up she is going to be torn apart.

ElJaguar · 17-10-2022 11:00AM

I wonder has Truss had some form of mental or nervous breakdown? It's bizarre Jeremy Hunt seems to be acting both as Chancellor and PM.

Leroy42 · 17-10-2022 11:00AM

And PMQ's.

All Starmer has to do is ask any question, and then regardless of the response, ask if Truss has got that approved by Hunt in advance or does she want time to check with him first.

It will be a nightmare for the Tories. And as mentioned, it might be doable if she was a good public speaker, but she is awful. So each time she speaks she makes things worse and now, if they ever did, nobody is actually going to believe what she says.

amacca · 17-10-2022 11:09AM

I never ever thought I'd think this but Boris is starting to look somewhat capable as a leader in retrospect

At least If he was thinking of cutting taxes for elites his plan might be called levelling up the spread of wealth/let's put some lipstick on this British pig or something and the fine print buried in the back of a dossier somewhere only the wealthy donors would be able to access in advance of implementing it.

I'm just awestruck at what I'm witnessing, if it was reported a massive spaceship hovered over new York right now and threatened to obliterate it I'd only be at the same levels of incredulity I'm experiencing watching what's going on in the UK....

I'm sure it's perfectly explainable but I just can't quite believe what I'm seeing, I keep wondering did I encounter a fork in the path I was on some years back and accidentally tumble into an alternative reality.

As to what happens next, at this stage who the **** knows, sit back strap in and enjoy the ride + hope this all encompassing omnishambles doesn't have too many negative consequences here....

I mean at this rate Truss might accidentally discover how to make nuclear fusion viable for the average income household to implement in their garden shed or turn into a crystal meth addict........

Quin_Dub · 17-10-2022 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755491#Comment_119755491

"it might be doable if she was a good public speaker"

That's a key part of it - If she had any debating ability whatsoever she could at least spar with the opposition - The House floor allows a lot of leeway for torrents of nonsense to sow confusion - Politicians have done it for years , but Truss is utterly lacking any oratory or debating skills and seems utterly incapable of reacting to the moment at all.

She is an utter disaster.

17-10-2022 11:13AM

A women who can't find her way out of a room she just walked into. That's special.

ancapailldorcha · 17-10-2022 11:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755527#Comment_119755527

Johnson was just too lazy to try and do anything with the role he screwed over so many people to get. He presided over nearly 200,000 deaths from covid while he dithered and partied. He was an abject disaster.

Itssoeasy · 17-10-2022 11:15AM

It shows how much things have fallen when Jeremy hunt is seen as reassuring by being able to make a statement and make it sound somewhat natural and make it sound like he understands the words he is speaking.

ancapailldorcha · 17-10-2022 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755557#Comment_119755557

In fairness, he did a reasonable job running the NHS for a Tory.

Shelga · 17-10-2022 11:29AM

What on earth did she think would happen? Was she really so confident in her abilities that she thought she could steer the UK through this crisis? A hugely respected, heavyweight politician would struggle at the moment, never mind someone like her. Any time I think I’m feeling remotely sorry for her, I remember how arrogant she is. It’s quite amazing.

It would be one thing if these people at least recognised the (low) limits of their (extremely minimal) skills. But they genuinely think, if only I could implement my way, everything would be great. Zero humility.

Igotadose · 17-10-2022 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755547#Comment_119755547

She can't find a way out of room because she's an idiot, not because she's a woman. Dominic Raab didn't know what misogyny meant - was that because he's a man? No, it's because he's an idiot.

Margaret Thatcher was an effective leader (in some opinions) because she was Margaret Thatcher and not because she was a woman.

The piling on Truss due to her gross incompetence is something I agree with, but it's nothing to do with her being a woman, just she's a shamelessly ambitious political animal, like most senior politicians in the world, and does not appear to be particularly bright. That in and of itself isn't enough of a reason to fail, though. GWB was an idiot, but he had evil advisors who were not. TFG as a counter-example is also an idiot but surrounded himself with worse.

17-10-2022 11:34AM

I will be happy when I see her break down in tears. That quivering top lip gives it away - a women on the edge.

Seth Brundle · 17-10-2022 11:35AM

I never ever thought I'd think this but Boris is starting to look somewhat capable as a leader in retrospect

Johnson was never a leader. Whilst he was good at lying to the people, not once did he display leadership traits.

I get what you're saying about how bad Truss is but let's not pretend that Johnson had anyone other than himself in mind whenever he made a decision.

17-10-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755641#Comment_119755641

Women is a descriptive term not a pajorative term.

Igotadose · 17-10-2022 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755685#Comment_119755685

But, do you say the same when you post about men?

Why do you use the plural form then?

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