It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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How gutless is Truss she wouldnt even turn up for Urgent Question
Kier Starmer
"The ladies not for turning.......up!"
Brilliant 🤣
Eye opening factoid from a contributor on Claire Byrne this morning:
Just before Brexit, the UK economy was 90% the size of the German economy - now it's less than 70% the size of Germany. And the Germans haven't exactly been enjoying world-beating growth themselves.
Brexit innit.
rubbish. Johnson was tanking in the polls, hence why the Tories removed him. Starmer was coming from miles away, he had a lot of work simply to get Labour treated seriously in many peoples eyes.
And timing is everything. Blair did so well, partly of course because of who he was, but in large part because of how inept the Tories were. Johnson only got to be PM because of how inept TM was.
While no body could have predicted how quickly or completely, the wheels would fall off the Tories, Starmer was playing the longer game. No need to get too excited when the seats in the HoC meant an election was likely 5 years away.
That's because he is a wooden mannequin.
Before all this labour were barely touching the Tories under his stewardship. That's quite impressively bad considering how badly the Tories were already doing.
She may well be gone by this evening.
Even if they would prefer to leave it till after Christmas.
I think she is skipping leaders questions because she is calling it a day. Why flood YouTube with clips of you being humiliated on the last day.
She has no authority left. A day must be like a month for her now.
Starmer has cast a lot of the lunatic bad eggs like Corbyn and co. out of the party, making Labour a credible option in many communities, especially working class ones.
The Tories will need to do that with their Corbynite style wing of fruit cake libertarians .
I think we'll know by 4pm what the plans are
Hunt and Mordent making statements while Truss is very conspicuously absent.
Are they going to try and 'Weekend at Bernies' her until after christmas or have they something else in mind
Truss is a gift to Starmer who could not have gotten to his current polling without her
He is still a wooden duplicitous stooge for new labour and given better times would remain hard for the British public to stomach.
She will survive at least until after Hunt delivers his updated Budget at the end of the month.
If that is seen to calm things down a bit then she'll get to limp on towards a GE in ~18 months time.
Her survival has nothing whatsoever to do with "what's good for the country" it's all down to the calculations of the Parliamentary party.
If they think that their jobs are completely lost no matter what then they may pull the plug sooner rather than later.
But if enough of them think they might be able to survive the cull that is absolutely coming at the next GE then they'll leave her there until the last possible moment.
The intangible here is Truss herself - Will she accept being a patsy for the Party and agree to stay in place for the foreseeable or will she pull the plug and try to claim some notional right-wing high ground (the sunny uplands if you will) and try to position herself for longer term leadership in opposition?
I don't think it would work as she has no policy or political foundation to fall back on , but that doesn't mean she might not try it.
The problem for them is that every option is a terrible one : whether they kick her out after a few short weeks for total incompetence (the optics are horrendous) or decide to hold on to her (equally horrendous).
She'll probably see out the year. Why on earth would anyone want to lead the party now with what's coming?
Let's look at a hypothetical best case scenario. Winter comes and the party borrows big to save people from fiscal ruination. Fine. Winter is now done. What next? At some point soon, there will be an election. Do you call it now hoping that Labour will be on the back foot? No because Starmer is already prepped for an election so you wait until the pressure becomes too much at which point you've lost what's left of the initiative.
But of course, this won't happen. Truss has already destroyed her own premiership with her absurd fiscal policy and subsequent u-turn. What she's done is to destroy any market confidence in herself, her government and her party. Such confidence takes time to build up. People and markets know that any government that u-turns this much is literally revolving at this point and therefore static.
She's destroyed this iteration of the Tory party, that's for sure. They need a spell in the wilderness so they can excise the morons, fruitcakes and loonies like Rees-Mogg & Coffey.
I'm of the same mind. Really, she should probably be gone already. But I suspect that she'll linger for a while due to various delaying tactics and measures. Hunt coming in was probably part of that. Delaying the inevitable need to replace her as long as they can. Could be weeks, could be even months..or longer.
Although maybe they'll surprise us and actually pull the plug now?
I believe so. And longer. I think that they’ll probably muddle through now (assuming that the fiscal statement goes okay) to an election, whether or not that is triggered sooner that we might expect, in the hope that things just stabilise. I just don’t see any other way. I find it hard to believe, despite all the chatter, that they’ll just change PM.
Doubt it. Will she even see out the day? She’s not even taking the question from Labour at 3:30pm in the commons- Penny Mordaunt is. She’s a joke and a coward.
Will Truss see out the week?
Indeed. Perhaps it's time for a suddenly unplanned trip to Kyiv. 'Round about Wednesday....
Truss: Me? Skipping PMQs? No...noooo. Just got to "show support" and get photo-ops with a world leader people actually like. Not trying...to avoid doing my actual job or anything...
Oh listen, I clearly agree. Perhaps leader was the wrong word, If he was my commanding officer Id be planning to find a way to deliver a bullet to the back before we went into battle, I suspect with Liz I probably wouldn't have to make any plans someone else would have gotten there long before me.......survivor while doing SFA/better at not shooting himself in the foot immediately/clever at being self serving to some degree......I'm struggling to come up with a concise definition......Johnson at least wouldn't announce at the first opportunity the very thing that would spook international markets and make his position all but untenable........
just to be clear, I'm not singing his praises as a leader or at least that wasn't what I intended to be the key takeaway 😂
If it it was a company, it's one you would expect to go out of business in the next few weeks.
4 different people responsible for finance, and that within 4 months. Not exactly a good track record.
Picture a company having 4 different COOs in 4 months. This doesn't look good.
Someone in the Guardian likened this whole affair to the Suez Crisis and they're spot on. Imagine introducing a radical and revolutionary budget and then having to scrap virtually the entire thing a couple of weeks later and admit it had been a disastrous, ill thought out, mistake. This is the type of event you see once every 50 or 60 years in politics.
But, do you say the same when you post about men?
Why do you use the plural form then?
Women is a descriptive term not a pajorative term.
I never ever thought I'd think this but Boris is starting to look somewhat capable as a leader in retrospect
Johnson was never a leader. Whilst he was good at lying to the people, not once did he display leadership traits.
I get what you're saying about how bad Truss is but let's not pretend that Johnson had anyone other than himself in mind whenever he made a decision.
I will be happy when I see her break down in tears. That quivering top lip gives it away - a women on the edge.
She can't find a way out of room because she's an idiot, not because she's a woman. Dominic Raab didn't know what misogyny meant - was that because he's a man? No, it's because he's an idiot.
Margaret Thatcher was an effective leader (in some opinions) because she was Margaret Thatcher and not because she was a woman.
The piling on Truss due to her gross incompetence is something I agree with, but it's nothing to do with her being a woman, just she's a shamelessly ambitious political animal, like most senior politicians in the world, and does not appear to be particularly bright. That in and of itself isn't enough of a reason to fail, though. GWB was an idiot, but he had evil advisors who were not. TFG as a counter-example is also an idiot but surrounded himself with worse.
What on earth did she think would happen? Was she really so confident in her abilities that she thought she could steer the UK through this crisis? A hugely respected, heavyweight politician would struggle at the moment, never mind someone like her. Any time I think I’m feeling remotely sorry for her, I remember how arrogant she is. It’s quite amazing.
It would be one thing if these people at least recognised the (low) limits of their (extremely minimal) skills. But they genuinely think, if only I could implement my way, everything would be great. Zero humility.
In fairness, he did a reasonable job running the NHS for a Tory.
It shows how much things have fallen when Jeremy hunt is seen as reassuring by being able to make a statement and make it sound somewhat natural and make it sound like he understands the words he is speaking.
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