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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    What is your point here?

    I was originally responding to someone who said Starlink should be stripped from Musk, with a mention of the government subsidies that could be at stake being leverage for the government against Musk. The portion of Tesla that he owns isn't relevant here, the implications of their removal would impact the entire company, not just 20% or whatever it is he owns. Back to my point though and the removal of these subsidies wouldn't have any great impact to companies worth over 10 times their amount.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’ve two points on this

    1./ I’m just in from whole lotta zep in the academy. Absolutely savage.

    2./ you’ve just given us the idea for our first dance at our wedding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You're off the beaten track completely.

    Ukraine has a running deficit of €38bn per year and getting worse by the week. It's un-rescuable. They would have to cut everything and it will be a third world insolvent country. That's not opinion, that's a fact. They'd probably require north of €500bn in an IMF program over a number of years just to stay afloat before any adjustments.

    The situation is not comparable with previous bailouts. It's really, really worse.

    This is another driver to the negotiating table and, I would argue, the main one at this point because countries just aren't going to plug that gap for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    sitting on the largest grain fields probably oil and gas too. NATO was a diversion for head orc. commodities what was being sought.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭dvega


    He's also a pedo who passed himself off as a teenager named Emily. He get's his attention as being one of the first people to question Bush's WMD's rhetoric.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/magazine/scott-ritter.html

    Edit: a dozen posts after this comical post, more or less posted the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4



    Elon just engages with the likes of this on twitter, It's like he is just being taken in by all this stuff and really thinks he is helping to try and de-escalate what is happening in Ukraine.

    He is either hopelessly naive on this, or is playing some kind of game here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    My point is you're lumping in all companies setup by Musk into a group owned by him.

    SpaceX run Starlink. So if SpaceX lost government subsidies or was stripped from Musk, it has no bearing on the publicly owned Tesla.

    Different companies with different owners. Why are you lumping them together?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    It'll be the western world who will pay, us included. Nobody is expecting us to fully replenish the economy lost, the economy itself in Ukraine will have to fill a big gap once it is brought back after this mess. The alternative is allowing a state to fail on your doorstep and that would make no sense after the investment we've put in. It could also be much more costly if we do nothing. We may as well have just allowed Russia steam in because in time they will do if the future for Ukraine is total economic collapse. It isn't good, it's terrible. It is what it is though and we'll all have to pay the price for the fallout of this war.

    In the grand scheme, between all the powers at the table, this isn't a whole lot of money. There'll probably be more money made in the long run.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭macraignil


    All I can see in your comments is that somehow these euro deficit figures you have picked out of your ar** are supposed to be of any significance in relation to the murder of thousands of the citizens of Ukraine by an invading dictatorship. The trillions of euros and dollars earned by the western economies of the world owe much of their continued wealth to the brave Ukranians who are stopping the expansion of putins dream of a rebith of the USSR and I don't see any of the powers bankrolling the Ukraine economy to be looking for any of their investment back when they are paying for their investment daily with the blood of their people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    To be fair, Kim Schmitz is a long standing knob with a sense of entitlement (and breaches of US copyright law) even bigger than Musk, and that's saying something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Lumping them together makes sense because the point was a potential financial hit on the single biggest financial contributor and CEO of them all. A hit on one side will impact his decision making on the other.

    This is getting nit picky now and off topic, i'm sure Elon isn't losing any sleep over us anyway.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So $38bn a year and needing north of $500bn over a number of years..... That be 21 years? You think the war will continue for 21 years?

    Yes in a war footing, **** needs to be cut. You don't go Liz Truss and announce a run away budget ffs.

    Long term there will be a Marshal plan for Ukraine which will cover the rebuilding of Ukraine. Countries WILL plug the gap.

    An unstable or weak future Ukraine is not in the Wests best interest. Maybe you missed all the financial/military/humanitarian aid given so far?

    Most of Ukraine's creditors have given them a 2 year freeze on their debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I think some forget the cost of the war in relation to the economy where most are on a war footing and not producing economic value for the economy at the moment. Once the war is over they will go back to civilian life and contribute to the economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The problem is beyond financial Kermit. Putin has to be stopped, if he's not, and expands his war, then the costs world wise of his war will go up. Saudi have just announced 400 Million USD donation to Ukraine, and for all the millions needed, the US have very deep pockets, and for them, it's a very cheap war. So yes, they will continue to support Ukraine, Biden has already said so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    It's a very very very cheap war for the USA considering what they spent in Afghanistan. Imagine taking out an implacable enemy for a fraction of what you spent in a peace keeping mission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That is the real reason Putin wants Ukraine, its massive oil and gas reserves, not to mention its agricultural wealth. Nato was always just the excuse. Had it not been NATO, it would have been something else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭circadian


    I believe their natural gas reserves are on par with Iraq. The oil and gas reserves are probably the largest on the continent and the 2014 annexations only occured as a result of the Ukrainian government awarding exploration rights to western companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    They have a lot of natural resources… I’m sure that might come into play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh and it's a price Ukraine will happily pay west trousers some money vs Mosco taking it all. It's a price most sensible people would accept in the long term.

    I'm under no illusions on the situation it's a trade off. West is the least worst option. And comes with huge benefits too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Seems russia and their buddy belarus are creating a boarder patrol. belarus clamming security issues from Ukraine. Had a bunch of old russin guys explaining the welcome they got one odd looking brass band without brass. Trucks moving erratically. Will be funny to see the lad get ousted once he lets the troops out. I assume NATO and Ukraine have thought of this possibility. And Poland my say **** it were in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    It does seem to be serving as a very useful proxy war for USA on multiple levels. What I’m wondering is what would happen if the war drags on and the orange one got back into power would he cease all support for Ukraine. In that situation would Europe step up to the plate?

    Im also wondering if this situation has exposed the fragility of the EU from a military/weapons point of view. NATO is effectively the USA and without the USA western civilisation doesn’t appear to have much defence against the likes of Putin. Muppets like Putin should be a thing of the past but it’s clear humanity isn’t fully ready to evolve completely past populist strongmen small dick syndrome.

    I think USA have a point when they say we need to spend more on defence. I’m not pro military per say but when you see the kind of trouble being caused with the russia/China axis and by even useful puppets in smaller countries like Belarus, it doesn’t look like everything will be fine once Putin is gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Ukrainan counter offensive are still making ground in Kherson,Russian officials have started to bail out.

    In the Donetsk and Luhansk regions its going a bit slower because the Russians have dug in and gotten some reinforcements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,886 ✭✭✭threeball


    His wealth is mostly based on stock and stock options. We're this stock to drop significantly then his wealth evaporates. His wealth is currently based on maintaining a cult following who will purchase his products because they think he's some messiah. One wrong tweet and he could see his wealth fall off a cliff. He's heavily dependent on government investment to have gotten any of his companies to where they are today.

    The incident with his tweets surrounding the shares a while back shows the authorities aren't afraid to sanction him. And national security is on another level than manipulation of share price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition



    There's quite strong support among the public in the west for Ukraine,

    This argument that the Weat is going to turn its back on Ukraine, not going to give it weapons or money, won’t keep up sanctions, has been going on since the beginning of the war. There’s no evidence for it at all.

    The west has done everything it can bar enter the war and precipitate nuclear war. But it’s made it clear that if there is a nuclear attack it will respond.

    This argument that the west is just about to sacrifice Ukraine is Russian wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    There are pictures of this, not hard to find. Looks brutal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,335 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Fecking typical cis countries. They'd want to check their privilege. You wouldn't get that in the trans countries.



    I didn't know Russia was so well up on the modern issues like that!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Putin's aim over the last few weeks has been to get to the winter without his military completely collapsing so in that sense he has achieved his short term goal.

    Over the coming weeks and months support for Ukraine will begin to melt away from the general populations of Europe and the US and the political class in response will give Zelensky no choice but to negotiate. Despite some of the well intentioned musings on here that process has more than likely begun through the back channels.

    What we will see over the coming years is an easing of sanctions on Russia and a sustained insurgency from hardcore Ukrainian units who refuse to accept the ceasefire negotiation, this will probably include attacks inside the Russian heartland with targeting of Moscow underground stations etc..



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