F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

I probably shouldn't have picked 5% with it being the cutoff for moving from minor to significant breech of the cap.

It is a tightrope for the FIA trying to find something that some way placates all teams. The big thing they need to do is make the punishment enough that it is a deterrent for others to break the cap because this punishment will set the precedent for any future breeches.

I think Martin Brundle summed it up well over the weekend that all teams were doing some level of hiding money and there's probably a lot of different interpretations of the rules.

Maybe Horner should've suggested they split the bill

Vettel still has glimpses of greatness in a crap car but I think it’s difficult to take a relatively small sample of wet races as an indicator of driver performance. It kind of reminds me of Kimi’s third last season or something akin to it. Would get a few good results, more than the car deserved but spent a lot of races going through the motions and errors thrown in here and there.

Good performance in Japan but you must factor in things like the shortened race, the spin leaving him with no risk of losing track position by going straight to inters, Alonso maybe pitting too late and and staying in touch with Hamilton because he couldn’t pass Ocon. Singapore again there are mitigating factors but he kept it on track and earned the points. It’s great to see him get some good results but it feels like the right time to go at the same time.

Again though, looking at a small sample size doesn’t prove a point. The Nyck De Vries race was a very specific race which suited Williams moreso. Like we’re at a point now where Stroll has been beating both drivers of the Haas, Alfas & Williams frequently in the second half of the year. He’s not the worst driver but there’s definitely 2/3 drivers at least at his level in those three teams. There’s been plenty races where they’ve been at least competitive if not better than Williams, AT, Haas & AR. I don’t think the results show at all that Aston have the slowest car on the grid in terms of overall race package so it doesn’t make sense to embellish his performance on the back of the De Vries’ race. The bottom half of the grid is probably even enough and has some poor drivers for a talented, experienced driver like Vettel to make inroads when you look at the season as a whole.

As for Danny Ric, Bottas is also beating him and he hasn’t gotten much from the car in the second half of the year.

It’s difficult to measure driver performance in unequal cars. Feel like beyond the teammate, you’re basically being subjective until you get to outliers like the Ricciardo case. Like you’re saying that he’s clearly outperformed everyone bar Verstappen, LeClerc and maybe Norris. I wouldn’t be filled with confidence that you could stick him in for Perez/Sainz/Russell/Hamilton and the respective teams points would be better.

Where did this catering rumour come from? It sounds like a Red bull made up story to deflect from the bad press of going over budget.

that was the link... i meant to post it in the previous post...

I would have thought Ralf would be well known enough to be identified as David's father rather than Michael as his uncle.

Right, a lovely feel good story for your Friday morning.

I suspect a lot of teams will start receiving envelopes with pocket money now.

Awe that's lovely. Fair play to Alfa.

Remember to make any cheques out to Care for Aged, Sick and Homeless or C.A.S.H. for short.

Don't get this move at all

Oh interesting. So nico and Mick at Haas would be a good team if Mick is there next year or even K Magnussen.

Quite simple, Hulkenberg won't write off the car every second race like Mick has this season.

Okay, that's a little of a bit of an exaggeration but Haas are looking for a safe set of hands and by going with Hulkenberg that they will save money compared to Mick.

The only other real option they had was Giovanazzi. What they really need is a decent American driver who can bring money and sponsors.

Hulkenberg and K-Mag together in the same team after 'suck my balls' is funny.

I don't get why Hulkenburg would be taken over Mick tbh. Mick is on an upward trajectory and looks better with every race. He's been very consistent since about Canada and he's outperformed KMag since then despite losing the quali battle. And only for Haas' awful strategic decisions Mick would have considerably more points. Their awful decision making flies under the radar because of Ferrari and the fact they're propping up the field.

Hulkenberg is a known quantity but I doubt he'd outperform Mick based on his trajectory. He's had his time in F1 and he'd be such an uninspiring appointment. It's also unfair judging Mick too much for 2021 - Haas wrote that season off before it began.