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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,001 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    😂😂😂😂😂 but I’m not on welfare.

    You said anyone who wants an upgrade can have one for free?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,001 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    That’s not what Akrasia said though.

    Anyone that wants one can have one for free is what was said which is utter nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Perhaps I’m confused. Did you say there were grants for those on carers allowance who do not live with the person they care for? That’s what I’m talking about and I can’t see it on the seai website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,001 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You disagree because you obviously earn way above average, so you can afford all that debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    I thought this was a climate "emergency"? If it's such an emergency, surely hard working mortgage holders should be getting retrofits for free like those who aren't/can't/won't work?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    How much to replace Windows and doors to air tight spec, heat pump, interior and exterior insulation wrap, underfloor heating etc? These are all required to to get a heat pump to work at it's most efficient...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Don't get a heat pump if you don't have a house suitable for one or you can't afford to upgrade your windows doors and insulation

    Nobody is forcing you to get a heat pump

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Except the greens are forcing people to go down that road by applying carbon taxes on kerosene. On top of the tax that's already on it. If I can't afford a heat pump and the associated works with it, why should I be punished for heating my house? While those on the dole who contribute nothing, will get it for free!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,139 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    While Keegan has been pottering around talking about "active" travel and pedestrian streets he's presided over many parts on the city centre becoming absolute kips. O'Connell street, the boardwalks on the Northside, custom house quay, Abbey street, to name but a few small areas are now the preserve of the walking dead. No amount of buses or cycles lanes will change that any time soon.

    Fella is asleep at the wheel yet thinks he's some sort of eco crusader when the sad truth is many areas of the city are holed below the water line already.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It's not a binary choice between kerosene and a heat pump. There are alternatives


    And the carbon tax is 8.4c a litre. Kerosene is about 1.30 a litre but was 1.40 a litre before the budget so the carbon tax clearly isn't the main driver of the cost of your home heating oil

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    In all fairness Eamon Ryan is running the ministry of truth with the amount of lies they spin out every week...everyone should read that book a gain to see how dangerous this green agenda really is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    So maybe by 2060 there will be grants for all homes, the progress to date has been glacially slow.Another failure from the greens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Yet if I decide to not go the grant route and do it privately for half the cost I pay VAT to help the planet😐️.I have to line the pockets of the green circle to avail of the free money,the grant system is an abysmal and dishonest scheme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Typical of this thread. Pull a statistic out of your rectum and then blame the greens for it

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,001 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Are you going to retract your statement?

    The one where you said there are FREE upgrades for anyone that wants one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You really dont get it do you, Ive opposed oraganised religion in this country for many years, in all my days I never met a holy Joe or member of the legion of mary that was as zealous as the greenies I have encountered , the greens are going to be on a par with the church in the amount of damage they will do to some citizens of this country.I have no doubt there will be tribunals and inquiries into the green party cult in 40 years time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Or maybe, just maybe, all of the world's scientists are right and climate change is real and we need to stop burning fossil fuels?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You can get your insulation paid for by the government right now. (If you need it done)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Talking of heat pumps. The council purchased one of the houses in our estate last year. Lovely family moved into it. They work but income allowed them to qualify for social housing. We were chatting over the summer and they told me their electricity bill was 600 and when I asked how it was so big he told me it was because they had a heat pump. That was a June/July bill and before the latest increase. They said they couldn’t turn the heat pump off as it takes 2 weeks to cool down and another 2 to get working again and they needed hot water. I’m dunno how to use a heat pump but that seems a bad setup.

    All the council did was install a heat pump and underfloor heating. The house was built in 2005 and they have the original wooden front door, double glazing and open fire. I dread to think how much money will be going up the chimney and through the front door come winter. They’ll be burning turf in the fire to keep the heat pump thermostat from kicking in all the time.

    In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing green about what the local authority have done in that house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Zealots are the modern Irish Greens and society should always be beware of zealots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,011 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    And it's rubbish. The made up nonsense 'measures' from which the conclusion is derived are bonkers. Nonsense like "undercharging for environmental costs" and "foregone consumption taxes". What the actual f**k? In Ireland, 53.35% of the cost of petrol is tax, and 47.1% of diesel. I do get that climate catastrophists, such as yourself, don't think that's enough tax but your ilk are out of your shrunken little minds, particularly when you start calling such massive levels of taxation 'subsidies' because you don't think that's enough.

    Undercharging for environmental costs is not a subsidy. It's a greenie opinion that is utterly divergent from the meaning of 'subsidy': "a sum of money granted by the state or a public body to help an industry or business keep the price of a commodity or service low:"

    No money has been granted here and there is no fixing of price below the cost of production. That criteria is a nonsense rabbit hole that allows you to concoct all sorts of crap

    How about recognising that it's not fossil fuels degrading the environment, but people, and that there are too many people, and this is because of modern medicine? So it's really medicine that is massively subsidised by thousands of percent because we haven't accounted for the environmental damage of all the people who would otherwise have died because of it.

    So lets tax medicine and health care on the basis of the envirnmental damage they lead to, thus making it only for those with a a million or three in wealth. It shouldn't take long to depopulate the planet where overnight we will be back to a 46.2% infant mortality rate. The film Elysium rather nicely portrays this enviable goal; an isolated wealthy elite living long and healthy lives in comfort while the rest of humanity doesn't.

    And now of course I realise that engineering is massively 'subsidised' because almost all the environmental damage in the world results from the application of engineering, so lets tax that by several thousands of percent.

    No, no, how could I have been so blind! My god, what a revelation, none of those things is the real, most egregious subsidy leading to environmental destruction. It is of course knowledge/education. Education is the real environmental problem, we need to tax that sufficiently to wipe it out so that ther is almost no engineering and almost no medicine, which of course will in themselves lead to a return to an Iron age existence and next to no use of fossil fuels. Except for the wealthy, of course.

    You might want to stop waving that toilet 'paper' around as evidence of anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The grant scheme does not work, it looks after favoured contractors,and wealthy elites,(the green circle)a few crumbs are dispersed to the less well off only,no incentive for a hard pressed middle income person to be proactive and do something for themselves, the greens are cruel and divisive.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2022/08/08/soaring-demand-for-skilled-workers-delaying-deep-retrofits/

    Work out the figures yourself from the article, we are decades away from all housing stock being brought up to standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    No you cant, you have to make an application and choose from a very restricted list of contractors who will then proceed to fleece you.Alternatively go to your local builders providers and purchase the materials and then employ a competent handyman or DIY for about 45% of the grant job.But expect no help from the greens if you go this route they will charge you VAT to help save the planet.Money for the green circle is the only way the greens know.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    In the right conditions a HP is great,but the majority of housing stock in Ireland is unsuitable for them, it will take a spend of c.70k (and thats a conservative estimate) on each house to bring them up to standard,if you go the grant route it will cost c.120k and the greens might give u back 25k as a grant.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah that's nonsense, there's no HP on the planet that takes 2 weeks to get to temp, air, ground or water source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The grant system really is a scam,an elderly neighbour has been qouted 10k(after grant of 2400e) for a ten panel solar system without battery, this is price gouging of the highest order, the materials can be purchased for about 4k from any supplier, it beggars belief that a company can make 6k off the back of the elderly for ONE days work, and the greens encourage and facilitate this.

    https://solartricity.ie/kit-1-2x5/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    How the hell would you know, are u a heating engineer, HPs are finnicky, a bad installation/environment can be the ruination of the efficiency of the HP.In a good installation they are great but there appears to he major problems if they not installed correctly.My son has one and loves it.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If this is so important the state should just be paying in full for upgrades for everyone. As long as they are not, and persist in this unworkable and unaffordable way of going about things, their targets will never be hit. Not even close.



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