BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? threadbans in OP

Danzy · 14-10-2022 09:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746228#Comment_119746228

All those are true but why would Britain join the EU now? Why would the EU have them?

Both have enough problems of their own and both sides will only make the others problem worse.

14-10-2022 09:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746314#Comment_119746314

...because brexit will reduce the UK's economy by around 4% in the long term.

Strazdas · 14-10-2022 09:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746202#Comment_119746202

An intriguing aspect of all this is that Brexit has been exposed as a disastrous failure. It's not the case that they can say "Yes, nearly everything is going pear shaped but at least Brexit has turned out well for us". The thing has failed calamitously.

thebaz · 14-10-2022 09:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119745785#Comment_119745785

I can't stand Boris, can't stand Truss , brilliant day - The Tories thankfully are like Spitting Image fantasy, the demise started with Cameron initiating Brexit , in comparison to Truss , Theresa May looks good .

Danzy · 14-10-2022 09:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746399#Comment_119746399

4% isn't that much in the greater scheme of things though painful as it is short term, long term its a blip. Germany is facing a 1% contraction and a 10% fall via inflation. That's frightening and going to impact our future more than Brexit.

If it is one year and bounce back, its doable, unfortunately it looks like next year is going to be the same inflation wise.

HBC08 · 14-10-2022 10:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746511#Comment_119746511

The whole world told them Brexit was a monumentally stupid idea and of course its turned out that way but if they had the referendum again in the morning it would still be voted in.

Muahahaha · 14-10-2022 10:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746119#Comment_119746119

The EU would never let them back in unless they first abandoned FPTP for PR and instead of a two party system it was a 5-6 party one and even at that they would want to see years of stability Theres no way the EU could risk 30% of the Tory party and the tabloid media trying to reef them back out of the EU all over again from the very get go. So while the UK remains a two party system allowing them to rejoin would be a fundamental risk to the EU in case lightening strikes twice and with FPTP the conditions would still be there for it to happen.

Even if the UK did adopt PR and extremist Tory voices got marginalised with 26 EU members and 26 vetoes at play the horse trading would be epic I doubt English politicians or the general public would have the stomach for watching the French getting more fishing rights or the Greeks getting their Elgin marbles back or the UK being forced to join the euro. They just wouldnt be able to accept the cost it would come at.

fritzelly · 14-10-2022 10:07PM

Its so great to see the Tory party self imploding

How many leaderships changes does it take before they have to declare a GE

14-10-2022 10:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746546#Comment_119746546

Yes but thats an additional 4% on top of the inflationary contraction - which appears to be significantly worse in the UK than most parts of Europe.

I actually think that the 4% figure is a significant underestimate of the impact of brexit since most small to medium businesses have all but left the EU market due to regulatory barriers.

L1011 · 14-10-2022 10:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746575#Comment_119746575

Legally, if they can convince the King that the new candidate has the support of the house, they could go through every MP and back again, ad infinitum

14-10-2022 10:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746569#Comment_119746569

Not forgetting that the arrangement that the UK operated within the EU before would be out of the question now. They negotiated rebates on the basis that they barred the EU from making direct regional development payments to minimize interference in British politics. That took decades to negotiate and would never be offered again.

14-10-2022 10:18PM

The UK doesnt need to rejoin. It’d would take too much political energy from both sides, and further heighten division in the UK. There are more important things for each side to be focussing on. We just need to drop all barriers, on both sides, and align regulations and standards as closely as domestic politics allow. Labour will hopefully do that. The light, full alignment brexit that was imagined by some.

14-10-2022 10:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746614#Comment_119746614

How can that happen when Tory policy is to undercut EU regulations. The EU would never enter into agreements which they fully expected the UK to renege on at some point in the future, and the UK would never accept been tied to EU regulations in order to access barrier free markets. One of the main objective of Brexit was free free the UK from the European court of justice and any trade deal of the type suggested would be foundational on that court been the ultimate arbitor.

14-10-2022 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746546#Comment_119746546

It is the equivalent of a £32bn cost per annum, which is not insignificant. in modern parlance it's certainly "anti-growth".

14-10-2022 10:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746597#Comment_119746597

It was an OBR forecast from October 2021, so it may well be out of date now.

Akrasia · 14-10-2022 10:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746628#Comment_119746628

The long term collapse of the Tory party is a prerequisite to the EU opening up negotiations to allow the Uk back to the table

They burned so many bridges and are having their meltdown so publicly that they have lost all political capital in the serious parts of the EU.

If the Conservatives are still in the mix politically it means they're not ready to re-integrate

14-10-2022 10:36PM

I think the UK is heading to IMF territory.

rovers_runner · 14-10-2022 10:41PM

Will say this once again, if we are ever faced with the prospect of an equivalent simpleton like Helen McEntee running the country it must be stopped at all costs.

The damage Truss has done within a month...

14-10-2022 10:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746628#Comment_119746628

The UK will not go back into the EU for at least a generation. It was years to get out. It’ll be even longer to get back in and the policy and diplomatic and administrative resources would sideline any other policy activity, just like it did for the last few years with brexit

i voted remain but I would not support the start of any meaningful rejoining process for a long time

touts · 14-10-2022 10:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746399#Comment_119746399

Right now I think there are a fair few in Westminster and in the City who would bite your hand off for only a 4% reduction.

14-10-2022 10:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746628#Comment_119746628

Also brexit meant different things to different people. You are referring to the hardline brexit, which was not everyone. Many people who voted leave wanted continue close alignment, customs union etc. There is no reason why that kind of brexit cannot now be the objective

Danzy · 14-10-2022 10:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746655#Comment_119746655

It's not nothing. It's not fun, it's going to be rough, brutal even but it is hardly going to be exceptional in European terms.

That's not because Britain have done something well, it's just that the problems facing the Eurozone are existential crisis issues.

14-10-2022 10:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746731#Comment_119746731

It would take something monumental and unexpected for the EU to consider that a risk worth taking. Ultimately all the EU members take a slice of the trade that the British lost so it would have to be some existential strategic move that forced the EU to open up negotiations.

I would genuinely think that the EU will want to see the British suffer for the damage they have done to the EU.

ancapailldorcha · 14-10-2022 10:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746731#Comment_119746731

Nobody wanted close alignment. Brexit meant leaving the single market. Why would you vote for it and remain in it as a rule taker? The guff about staying in while having the ability to torch EU rules was Vote Leave and Leave.EU propaganda. Nothing more.

AMKC · 14-10-2022 10:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746551#Comment_119746551

Actually the whole World did not tell them that unfortunately. If there had of been a confident sane President like Obama or Clinton or Biden in charge of the USA maybe they would have but no that buffoon Trump and his cronies were/was there and he supported the UK doing Brexit.

ancapailldorcha · 14-10-2022 10:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746759#Comment_119746759

Brexit occurred before Trump assumed the presidency. Obama was asked to intervene by David Cameron. It did not go well.

AMKC · 14-10-2022 11:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746700#Comment_119746700

Leave Helen McEntee alone.

She is doing a great job and she would make a great Taioseach.

For A minute I thought you were going to say something intelligent like

If we are ever faced with the prospect of leaving the EU maybe we will look at the mess across the water and think otherwise and against it as its bad for them but it woukd be a lot worse for us if we ever did leave it.

14-10-2022 11:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746750#Comment_119746750

Id the UK proposed a customs union the EU would bite their hand off

HBC08 · 14-10-2022 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746759#Comment_119746759

If you asked Trump what Bexit was about he wouldn't get past two sentences and I'm being generous here.

I don't know how much of an influence he had on Brexit been voted for in the UK.He was seen as an imbecile by the vast majority in the UK just like the rest of the world.Its a pity they couldn't have applied the same logic to Bojo and they might not be the laughing stock there are now.

14-10-2022 11:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746753#Comment_119746753

but that’s the point isn’t it. Many people believed that we could stay closer than what was the end result. Customs union was always an option in some voters heads, even if it was not the intention of those pushing the brexit agenda. There will be appetite in the UK for closer union. Starting with something akin to Theresa May’s proposal

wouldn’t happen for a while. You’re probably talking in a 2nd labour term, having prepared the groundwork

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