Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

You didn't answer the question.. Just deflecting.

I have made my opinion on certs and vaccine passports known in this thread many times but I suppose you being relatively new to Boards (??) you missed that? And apart from that I set put my stall in a post a few days ago which I think you saw as you thanked and replied to it.

As for villification, most people have no problem with people refusing to take a vaccine. But its those that seek to villify others who did, and spread fake science and misinformation about the vaccines that most people have a problem with.

Who is it that you think is going to bring a tribunal against government re vaccines or v. passports? You are very vague, and never provide links or anything concrete just your very subjective opinion. Which you are entitled to,😊but its bordering on paranoia /conspiracy theory sometimes.

The rates of hospitalisation of unvaccinated as opposed to those vaccinated last year especially when the disease was most severe show that some people made choices alright. Whether they were right or wrong as I said previously is for that person themselves and their families. But commonsense would lead one to think that if you end up severely ill because you don't take a low risk vaccine and end up in hospital infected you should question both your decision making and the information you were given which led to that decision.

This was what those passports were trying to avert, people ending up in hospital, like in many countries all over the world. Some countries only dropping them now

Petsonally I felt it was too much and too authoritative, that education to counter misinformation is the way to go, and those who chose not to get vaccinated were ultimately going to dig in and become entrenched and not listen any further once those measures became mandatory.

But I suppose in a crisis a pandemic causing death it was felt by those in charge that changing people's minds through education was just taking too long and more urgent measures needed to be taken.

Being on the receiving end in ICU at that stage, I do get that, even if it goes against my more moderate views.

An emergency calls for emergency measures.

They should have been dropped swiftly for social outlets and restaurants once the majority were vaccinated.

As fpr those who didn't believe there was any urgency!...

There are madeup science news outlets masquerading as the real deal with fake information mixed in with a nuance of real to try to look as if they are genuine. A lot of these sites have been branded fake and conspiracy for a reason even before Covid.

(If that upsets people then they maybe should look at why the reality of the situation makes them feel that way.)

Sometimes people genuinely don't know that it is fakery dressed up as science, fair enough, but that doesn't mean it should be left out there unchallenged, does it?

After all how would anyone know what is real and what is true if no checks or balances were applied?

There are international recognised standards for research and journalism, and those who rail against these standards need to show then why they need to be changed, if they really need to. This happens all the time but it is not done on the whim of a minority, at least not in civilised democratic societies.

There is a difference in posting opinions and in posting misinformation.

There is also a difference posting opinion and posting a factual statement backed up by research.

As to the claim regarding claims!..

Nothing that was done in Ireland re vaccine passports was way out of line internationally.

At the end of the day if anybody brought a claim against say the state, they would have to show that what was done was outside the norm of government reaction to the crisis.

Don't see how that would work as these passports were in worldwide use in much the same way?

Probably . Catch a wave !

You have been posting since early today so no wonder you are tired . I am only catching up now after replying to your post and now seeing all the other stuff .

I don't agree with you on " scientific racism " at all and while I totally agreed with the passport related to travel , healthcare and also the mask mandate in those areas . Anywhere vulnerable people have no choice but to be there . Funnily enough this was more to protect those who didn't take the vaccine than others who did , besides those vulnerable older ir immunocompromised .

You had a choice as a healthy person and discussed it with your doctor .

My issue is that people who are not as healthy and have been swayed to an anti vaccination position not from an educated perspective, but from listening to trash and misinformation which is aimed at them through their social media and from some who choose to gain economically and politically .

By all means make your own decision but hear the facts before the fiction , and then own it and move on , and accept whatever are the consequences good or bad .

One of the 'consequences ' at the time was that vaccine mandate everywhere .

@dominatinMC The extreme views that are popping up here are obviously because this appears to be the only one of a few threads still going so you will get all sides posting . This was usually a more moderate thread .

They were much more efficient than the flu vaccine , and still are, although the latest variants are trying very hard to evade all vaccines ..

Sure a lot of us couldn't go places we wanted to for various reasons . I couldn't visit my young teenage son when he was acutely ill in hospital , nurse or not, as it happens .

I understand why, even if it was sxxx at the time .