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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I can point to Jeffery Dahmer and go yep, evil bastard serial killer. I can also point to Ted Bundy and go yep, evil bastard serial killer. One doesn't negate the other, nor does one excuse the other.

    US/NATO forces have done some extremely dodgy even evil acts prosecuting wars and/or making up bullshít excuses for war in the first place and they were and are widely condemned for it. This is a world map of the time:

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    The ones in blue opposed the war. The largest mass protests in world history were against the Iraq war. Tens of millions of people worldwide campaigned and took to the streets against that war, including hundreds of thousands of Americans. How many Russians are protesting this war?

    Hypocrisy is when one seeks to dismiss or explain away one evil act by referencing another separate one.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Is energy infrastructure not a valid military target? It's been done before, and is a good way to disrupt communications and logistics, moralities aside.

    This talking point is rehashed every 2 months, and yet the war keeps on going

    Back in March we were told russia was running out of missiles and arms - its October now and showing no signs of stopping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Context is everything as the AOAV report noted "explaining the high numbers of child deaths requires context".

    Also to note casualties is not = deaths.

    40% of casualties (death and injury) in Afghanistan from NATO airstrikes where children in a 5 year period, and the important point, 43% of those children casualties were by non NATO air strikes.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not quite true,NATO dropped carbon-fiber filaments to create temporary shortages and went for the power transmission stations,never directly at the power stations,meaning it can be repaired in a short time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭rogber


    Your definition of hypocrisy is actually a definition of whataboutery: referencing one crime to excuse another.

    Hypocrisy is something different. It's claiming to have high standards when your actions show the opposite. So Russia says America is a hypocrite for criticising them over Ukraine because America invaded Iraq. This accusation of hypocrisy is itself an example of whataboutery i.e. "you did that then, so don't dare criticise us for doing this now".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,501 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I always thought that trenches should be zig zagged to prevent blast being funneled along them? I can't see zig zagging happening when they're dug by machine.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Everyone who disagrees with anything I think is a Putinbot 😝



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I have seen quite a few different videos of Russians living abroad behaving like garbage human beings but I think this takes the prize for the biggest POS. Like, what was she thinking? The sense of arrogance and entitlement is off the scale. Frankly, I wouldn't have been disappointed to see some police brutality after that obnoxious act. If she works in that embassy she'll likely be trying to claim diplomatic immunity now. What an absolute weapon.

    It's quite telling that over the past 8 months I haven't seen a single video of Ukrainians abusing Russians abroad but plenty of Russians getting apoplectic at Ukrainians for simply protesting peacefully about Russia's invasion in public. Something is deeply wrong inside of a lot of Russians for them to be behaving like this. Whether it's too much propaganda or something to do with the way that they are raised it's grotesque to see, especially outside of their own country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Is energy infrastructure not a valid military target? It's been done before, and is a good way to disrupt communications and logistics, moralities aside.

    Only if that energy infrastructure "by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage".

    So in this circumstance I would say no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭Cordell


    NATO is not beyond criticism, but now we're talking about an enemy of the west, the same west we're living in, which you seem to defend and side with. Why are you defending the enemy, comrade? Why are you on their side in this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,777 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Have you not seen the video of the ukrainians fighting each other because one thought the other was russian? very funny



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    (From The Guardian)

    12.04 BST

    Lavrov: Russia would consider Putin-Biden meeting at G20

    Moscow would not turn down a meeting between President Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden at the G20 meeting next month, Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said.

    Looking for a deal ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Russian army conducted 61 missile strikes, 32 airstrikes and over 92 shelling with MLRS, in over 30 settlements across Ukraine, including Kyiv, Lviv, Rivne, Zhytomyr, Ternopil, Khmelnitsky, Ivano-Frankivsk, Vinnytsia, Pryluky, Nizhyn, Konotop, Kharkiv, Kremenchuk, Dnipro, Kryvyi Rih, Zaporizhzhia, Mykolaiv, Odesa. Ukrainian air defense shot down 73 aerial targets, including 46 cruise missiles and 27 drones, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    In relation to their stated war goals Russias performance in this war since March has been absolutely shocking and the Kiev front and northern front have utterly collapsed so those predictions were not too wide of the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Lukashenka ordered combat readiness check of Armed Forces of Belarus

    has their time come?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr



    History and Geography not being your strong points obviously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Could be a ploy to prevent UAF from launches a third offensive to Melitopol. Forces them to keep troops back in case of another assault from the North.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "Lukashenka ordered combat readiness check of Armed Forces of Belarus"

    Expected response - "It's a bit shít Dear Leader"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    The truth is nobody knows how much missiles, bombs, guns the Russians have left or have stockpiled up over the years. All we have is best guess merchants here going off the word of US intelligence or some talking head on Sky or CNN. Maybe they have enough for "another two weeks" or maybe they have enough for another two years who knows but what they do have is a clear and obvious man power issue where their armed forces look more and more like dads army than a capable military striking fear into Ukraine's heart.

    Basically take everything you hear from either side in a war as it is, propaganda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd be of the opinion that if Belarus did invade Ukraine. It be the end of Lukashenko.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    good point but its a long way from Melitipol to the Belorussian border though, you'd think they would need to have made their mind up weeks in advance

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The Ukrainian ambassador to the UK mentioned today that troops on the front line get rotated to north of Kyiv for rest and to also have a force there just incase. Makes pretty good sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Also means if the Belarusians or Russians attack from that route then they are up against battle proven and hardened troops.

    I very much doubt that Lukashenko will send in the Belarusian troops as he will be finished if he does. The Russians have sent train loads of draftees into Belarus but they'll just be slaughtered if they go over the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Well they were (some what like their Slavic big "brothers" currently) indulging in a little "ethnic cleansing" and assorted war crimes. I think you left that part out in the haste to proclaim US/NATO "just as evil" etc.

    Shure whats wrong with a bit of the old genocide you (or Russia's current leaders...) may say, no harm in it & we've all done it!

    If a genocide is a really big success you can always claim afterwards "it never happened" (or [whisper quietly] if it somehow might have, a little bit, they kind of deserved it!) and noone will be there to dispute you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,194 ✭✭✭screamer


    I see things escalating further in the next few weeks. Putin is no idiot, much as we all like to call him one. Well he knows winter is tougher for Ukraine, and I think he’s just going to pummel the place. Everyone thought the Russians were running I don’t think so, they’re just moving out of harms way. I still think he’ll hit the nuclear plant before too long. Overall, with the weaponry they have, the nukes and the distance they can travel, any country can be a target. Europe is scared of him, and this war is gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    On the flipside, Russian conscripts are arriving on trains with nothing but the packs on their backs, some of them have filmed themselves just camping out in the open with no tents. If the Russians can't get their winter logistics sorted they are also in trouble, low morale will only plummet lower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Speech earlier today bu Josep Borrell, High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy:-

    Our prosperity has been based on cheap energy coming from Russia. Russian gas – cheap and supposedly affordable, secure, and stable.


    And the access to the big China market, for exports and imports, for technological transfers, for investments, for having cheap goods


    So, our prosperity was based on China and Russia – energy and market

    And:-

    On the other hand, we delegated our security to the United States


    You - the United States - take care of our security. You - China and Russia – provided the basis of our prosperity. This is a world that is no longer there. 



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