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I'm gonna go with maybe, as I recall the advantage of lithium sulphur is that it doesn't need as much or any rare earth metals
The problem with these kind of breakthroughs is that it take a while to turn into a marketable product. And in the meantime other technology is advancing which might render this obsolete
Still, the main idea is still true, that battery development is ongoing and EVs are getting better every day
Has a battery breakthough been made for electric vehicles?
Tesla and Ionity hubs don't count either as they're not accessible to all vehicle brands, although they may if they're co-located with a ChaDeMo charger.
The current commission proposal attempts to stop operators getting out of obligations by defining publicly accessible as below, in the original Alternative Fuels Directive some countries classed publicly accessible as open to 2 or more separate automotive brands. Ionity has always been classed as publicly accessible the provision of a CHAdeMO charger has nothing to do with it.
This is what was previously recommended by the European Commission:
Member States shall ensure a minimum coverage of publicly accessible recharging points dedicated to light-duty vehicles on the road network in their territory. To that end, Member States shall ensure that:
(a) along the TEN-T core network, publicly accessible recharging pools dedicated to light-duty vehicles and meeting the following requirements are deployed in each direction of travel with a maximum distance of 60 km in-between them: (i) by 31 December 2025, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 300 kW and include at least one recharging station with an individual power output of at least 150 kW; (ii) by 31 December 2030, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 600 kW and include at least two recharging stations with an individual power output of at least 150 kW;
(b) along the TEN-T comprehensive network, publicly accessible recharging pools dedicated to light-duty vehicles and meeting the following requirements are deployed in each direction of travel with a maximum distance of 60 km in between them: (i) by 31 December 2030, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 300 kW and include at least one recharging station with an individual power output of at least 150 kW; (ii) by 31 December 2035, each recharging pool shall offer a power output of at least 600 kW and include at least two recharging stations with an individual power output of at least 150 kW.
The European Parliament document seems to be focused on truck/bus requirements being brought forward and accessibility and signage requirements for charging hubs. Given the way the press release is worded, they may mandate pay by card being an option and that there be no access fees or overstay fees. I'd also like to see how they define "affordable". Tesla and Ionity hubs don't count either as they're not accessible to all vehicle brands, although they may if they're co-located with a ChaDeMo charger.
This has already been done, the TII motorway services sites are basically fulfilling the requirement of a service station every 50-60km on main routes
The government (via TII) franchises these sites out, I think Applegreen currently has most of them. So basically they'd change the terms of the franchise agreement to include a minimum number of EV charging.
As long as the terms of whatever EU law is met regarding ease of access, then the government doesn't care who actually provides the chargers
Hopefully the service station owners get ahead of the game and provide their own chargers, looks like Applegreen is moving ahead with this, although I'm not sure any of the sites they're currently installing are TII sites
How would that work though. Will ecars or equivalent take a mini digger and knock a hole in fence every 60km along all the main routes and set up 2 chargers and then wait to see if any private providers can see themselves making a killing out of developing these sites? Or will ecars simply throw a few chargers into existing petrol stations along main routes? Always have to admire the EP for their precise plans that really are difficult to implement in the real world.
Interestimg to see how this will actually unfold
It's a bit buried in the article but they talk about EV charging "pools" which sounds a bit like a hub.
The earlier proposal from the EU commission mentioned a minimum charging power of 300kW, which is a bit low if you're thinking about 10 years of development. But if you apply current logic that seems to cover 2 chargers (unless you're Ionity)
Tbh 60km seems like enough, considering that's the distance between Lusk and Castlebellingham services on the M1. You could easily pull into one with 10% remaining and if there's a massive queue or the chargers are busted them having to travel 100km might not befeasible
So the EU parliament seems to favour lots of smaller hubs than a few big ones. I know scaling of resources favours big hubs, but if you're looking from a minimum service point of view then you'd want hubs a short distance apart.
You then let market forces decide which of those locations are turned into big hubs
While I think 60km is great I would prefer hubs every 100km on major roads. Later they could add more sites in between.
Nah, we'll get an exemption because we're an island or some BS like that
With a bit of luck our glorious leaders will get booted into action
No, we'll miss the targets and then pay a few million in penalties every year until we do eventually meet the targets (of 5 years previous)), then we'll start paying new penalties for missing the newer targets....
Looks like the EU parliament is getting the finger out
They want charging stations every 60km along all major routes. Pricing should be displayed on the charger and payment should be "simple to use" which could be interpreted as requiring card payment facilities
They also want an acceleration of the current target to 2028 instead of 2031
This might help. Tune in from 3:30
I wonder how long it will take my brain to recallibrate for M3 to mean a Tesla
You could well be right - I might be now confusing either a higher spec model or/and bigger battery versions now available - even so 2k more is a lot more than I would have considered budget wise -ya got to shout stop at some number or we’d all be driving lambos 😂
Very happy with an ioniq electric with charging at home and at work. We use it a lot more than than the ICE that we thought would still be the main family car. We installed a Zappi home charger and will look at installing Solar in the near future.
One thing we had to negotiate was the “service cost” being asked for by the garage…. €250 for inspection, replace pollen filter, and replace brake fluid. OEM pollen filter @75, brake fluid @75 and 100 for the inspection (to get the book stamped). Obviously I pushed back on all of this but this is an example of what may be going on.
This is like special EV car insurance. There is no real difference in ICE Vs EV car insurance, same with parking meter installer versus EV charger installer insurance. Sure the risks might be different but it's just a public liability insurance product, same as most contractors insurance that has a cost based on the risks of a claim.
It might make it a bit easier to get a quote and easier to settle a claim as most scenarios are already listed but nothing special.
“The insurer is now offering Erection All Risks (EAR) and Operational All Risks (OAR) cover for EV chargers on a standalone basis. The product is aimed at customers including contractors, car park operators, local authorities, asset managers and forecourt operators, with cover applicable for everything from a single charger to an entire network.”
I’ll leave it at that…
I'd say the main issue there is that the heat pump tends to be shoved around the back of the house, away from where you'd put a charger. Bit of a niche market to begin with
Some EVs are in stock to drive away today. Particularly Teslas but you may be limited to certain colours or models. Others cars availability can vary by dealer so some dealers may have stock. I agree it does not make sense to buy a new EV if you have done the sums and it costs more than ICE overall. There are still.big downsides to EV ownership such as queues at peak times at public chargers and the risk of forgetting to charge at home and having to charge for 30+ minutes at public charging on the way to work which has happened to me more than once.
A solution looking for a problem.
Possibly only suited for new builds... Then you would have plenty of capacity(electrically) for a evse and a heatpump...
A 10kw heatpump only really has a 3kwish electrical load. So no swapping out the heatpump and magically getting 7kw evse.
To get the grant now it has to have load balancing anyway afaik.
The World's First Heat Pump/Air Conditioning Unit And Electric Vehicle Charger in one
From 37,995 at launch to 39,995 now.
Or was it cheaper at launch?
Yeah- it might be ultimately my route into EV- secondhand ICE cars are over-inflated prices right now- same with secondhand EVs though- so was thinking going new EV but as I said earlier, the boat has sailed on that for a few years until prices and choice stabilise- probably best thing i can do now is finally decide what money I want to throw at "transport" on an annual basis and then decide what my options are.
Went up a lot more than that.
You speak total sense- and if I were commuting 500KM a week to work (without taking any other travel into consideration) as I was over 2 years ago, I would have- but with lockdown and now WFH, milage is an awful lot less per week overall, not just commuting.
Crunching the numbers has been on my mind 24/7 over the last number of months TBH- looking at what my average milage is, looking at ICE cars, secondhand that I'd consider buying Vs New EV's that Id consider buying. ICE still seems to work out cheaper overall, taking a 5 year view of depreciation, servicing and running costs - EV's still have a a big premium and a long lead in period with uncertainty over final price charged. I see people driving around in 2022 ICE vehicles and thinking, whilst EV are great, we've a long way to go before my secondhand diesel will be worth nothing.
I'll keep an open mind over coming weeks and months- supply has obviously affected EV pricing and up to 1 year delay on a new EV is just not for me as I need to change in next 6 months max I'd say.
Anyway just thinking out loud - don't want to derail this thread in anyway as it's "random" but hope it helps others thinking the same way i am. Maybe I should just bite the EV bullet but the ones i want are just too expensive right now I think compared to ICE.
I did the sums on EV 4 years ago and every month I thought about it was costing me around 250 euros in fuel costs. I was doing 110km a day plus toll road twice a day.
I hung on to an ICE for longer trips and I rarely needed it and it's sold now.
Depreciation is real cost of ownership along with fuel for ice and maintenance and servicing.
For 2 car households with decent daily commute it makes good financial sense. Buying new may make more financial sense with used prices so high.
If we are going random regrets, regret is that I didnt take a punt on a M3 in Jan this year and put a deposit down before the price increases
:)
If you're doing low mileage then couldn't you buy a second hand Ioniq28 and then rent a petrol car the odd time you're travelling long distance?
Seems the best option financially, you get the benefit of low cost EV driving, get a car with low depreciation and you don't have to pay the cost of diesel all year round
Or go for a PHEV, if your daily driving is within the electric range and you can charge every night then it's basically as cheap as an EV to run
I mean, there's more options out there than high spec EV or car with a tractor engine shoved in the front
You mean the Ioniq 5 that went up just 2k over those 18 months?
My random EV thought is....why didn't I put my name down for a Hyundai Iconic 5 18 months ago - so regretting it, considering how prices have spiralled- the repayments would have been high but the depreciation oh so low relatively speaking compared to "normal" times of new cars.
Anyway, that boat has sailed. I'll be buying a second hand diesel to keep for about 5 years in early 2023 - of course cue massive increases in motor tax for such vehicles but considering my relatively low milage, it's probably the better choice from a financial perspective. But so regretting not just going for the Ionic 5 at the time- hope anyone here who has one is enjoying it.
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