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zv2 · 10-10-2022 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726143#Comment_119726143

Some of them are already fighting for Ukraine. If any of the rest of them enter Ukraine America/NATO should destroy them. Anyone thinks they can fight a war without escalation is fooling themselves.

zv2 · 10-10-2022 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726381#Comment_119726381

Zelenskyy has a mansion - kill the children.

10-10-2022 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119724451#Comment_119724451

Whatever way you want to look at it, the bridge attack is clearly an own goal by Zelensky. Biden is mentioning “off-ramps” for Putin much like Macron at the beginning of the war. Who knows what kind of deal will be done between the US and Russia in the end. If this “special operation” isn’t the cakewalk Putin thought it would be he’s learning the first half of Kissinger’s lesson “To be an enemy of the U.S. is dangerous…”. However when the realpolitik kicks in Zelensky could well be taught the second half : “… but to be a friend is fatal.”.

Brussels Sprout · 10-10-2022 03:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726064#Comment_119726064

Something that I have observed is that a lot of Russian Generals seem to be in really bad physical shape:

In comparison a lot of the retired NATO generals who now pop up to give their thoughts on TV stations are still in great nick:

I think it points to a lack of discipline. In the Russian army the goal is to climb high enough so that you can literally get fat and enjoy the spoils of corruption. In NATO you need to be ready at all time and lead by example - something that is sticking with these men even into their retirement.

Dyr · 10-10-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726600#Comment_119726600

Points more to genetic and social differences between northern Europeans/Anglos and Russians/Slavs. The latter tend to turn into fat bastards in later life

Gatling · 10-10-2022 03:20PM

Finnish EOD expert discusses the Kirsch bridge explosion,

Some interesting points about the explosion and subsequent fires ,@Manic Moran I believe you noticed noticed something about the fires

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1579480666282287104?s=20&t=OSdekLoBUVbHyBcw7U05nA

zv2 · 10-10-2022 03:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726578#Comment_119726578

You can't fight a war worrying about what the enemy will do in response. That kind of thinking would paralyze your efforts. Escalate, escalate, escalate. Win, win, win. Better to die free than submit to the orks.

10-10-2022 03:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726578#Comment_119726578

Its got absolutely nothing to do with the US nor France,since its Ukraine that have the last word and makes the decisions.

The people of Ukraine makes the decisions,not US,this isnt Russia,Remember

10-10-2022 03:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726661#Comment_119726661

Come on, no matter whose side you are on in this battle you can’t be that naïve. This would be over long ago for Ukraine if it wasn’t for US support. How are they going to fight if they don’t have their HIMARS etc. ? Are they going to try to smother the Russian soldiers with their wheat ?

monseiur · 10-10-2022 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726419#Comment_119726419

Just heard something about it on BBC radio and goggled it for further info. as it seemed prepostreous. Found some info on Switzerland Times and Germany.detailzero.com and others

10-10-2022 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726693#Comment_119726693

Was there any justification for this to start in the first place. Do you believe the best solution to this is Russia to control Ukraine because that's why?

Fiery mutant · 10-10-2022 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726693#Comment_119726693

Aren't you very patronising!

Ukraine haven't always had the HIMARS. They stopped the Russians from taking Kyiv, and have proven themselvesto be better soldiers than the Russians in every respect.

Why don't you go and sign up for the war, show your obvious patriotism to the motherland, instead of talking out your hole on here.

zv2 · 10-10-2022 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726728#Comment_119726728

At this point concessions to Putin would make the west look weak. Burn the bridges and move forward.

10-10-2022 04:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726748#Comment_119726748

I’m not taking away from the Ukrainian bravery and fight. We’re obviously not talking about the US-trained Afghani “army”. But if any of the posters here think what has been achieved could be done without the US they are living in cloud cuckoo land and shouldn’t be taken seriously on this thread.

Zelensky has understood this dynamic from Day 1 and is why he has played such a blinder shaming the West into supporting him. He knows the day the weapons stop coming its curtains for his war effort.

Dyr · 10-10-2022 04:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726728#Comment_119726728

Are you familiar with the phrase duirt bran liom go nduirt bean lei? except in your case, there's not even a bean is there?

Psychedelic Hedgehog · 10-10-2022 04:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726803#Comment_119726803

May we ask, if you're talking Ukranian bravery, why the Russian flag in your avatar?

circadian · 10-10-2022 04:08PM

Sometimes looking at a users post history brings a lot of sense to their nonsensical arguments. Sign up in 2014, disappear effectively until 2021 and then defending Alex Jones in relation to Sandy Hook "he said he was sorry" WTF?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425585/#Comment_119425585

Can't tell if genuine or not.

DontHitTheDitch · 10-10-2022 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726693#Comment_119726693

I don't know about that. For the first week or so into the invasion the Russian terrorists got their ass handed to them in Bucha and Irpin and at that point the US aid hadn't even started. The CIA thought the invasion would topple the Ukranian government in less than two weeks and were slow to react. They felt it might lead to another disaster like what happened in Afghanistan.

The footage at the time shows columns of tanks and APCs turning and retreating when two or three are taken out using ether Javelins, NLAWs and Stugna-Ps.

The Russians obviously thought the most that would be asked of them would be to act as riot police, keeping the cities secure while a new government was installed. Instead they never got near Kiev, they failed to take Chernihiv or Kharkiv just across the border. Thousands of Russia's best terrorists were killed outside the cities.

One of the main reasons seems to be Russia's policy of promoting terrorists based on their obedience and corruption rather than intelligence, hence so many high ranking officers getting picked off by snipers and drones in the early stages of the war. One of the main reasons the Russians were overrun in Kharkiv is that the replacements in the higher ranks kept well away from artillery range so there was a complete failure of leadership and discipline when the counter attacks started.

Apart from the US, Russia's greatest enemy is its own incompetence and the cowardice in the ranks.

10-10-2022 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726693#Comment_119726693

Whos side are you on with a russian flag on your profile i wonder

I smell Prigozhin troll from a mile away

There are atleast 32 countries giving supplies and weapons to Ukraine,so what.

Does that mean they have a saying about how Ukraina should should act

10-10-2022 04:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726827#Comment_119726827

Putin had had enough with the dicking around by the Ukrainians and NATO on his border. I’m not sure he was right to invade but I can see how he felt he had to draw a line in the sand. No one here wants to accept his reasons and just wants to say he’s a “tyrant” or “crazy”.

None of that takes away from the bravery and fights shown by the Ukrainians. I support Russia but am not so involved that I can’t see Ukraine’s point of view or respect them.

briany · 10-10-2022 04:22PM

@[Deleted User]

“To be an enemy of the U.S. is dangerous…”. However when the realpolitik kicks in Zelensky could well be taught the second half : “… but to be a friend is fatal.”.

To be an enemy of Russia means you'll be pushed out of a window. To be a friend of Russia's - they'll just say you fell.

Think Ukraine will take its chances being backed by USA and the West. Only countries lining up to be friends with Russia these days are the ones who think they can exploit it or are on the outs with the US.

cnocbui · 10-10-2022 04:23PM

Russians have been planning missile strikes on the Ukrainian capital and infrastructure since the beginning of October

▪️According to Ukraine's military intelligence, Russian occupation forces were instructed by the Kremlin to prepare massive missile strikes on Ukraine's civilian infrastructure on October 2 and 3.

▪️The military units of strategic and long-range aviation received orders to prepare for the task of massive missile attacks. The goals were determined precisely by the objects of critical civilian infrastructure and the central areas of densely populated Ukrainian cities.

▪️On October 8, seven Tu-160 strategic bombers were relocated to the Deer airfield from Engels airfield and equipped with Kh-101 cruise missiles.

If true, the Orcs probably blew their own bridge.

10-10-2022 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726875#Comment_119726875

Putin invaded Soverign countries, occupies and steals land,kills innocent civilians,holds false referendums at gunpoint and threatens with nuclear war and you support him.

Good logic,Champ

Manic Moran · 10-10-2022 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119725345#Comment_119725345

Embassies and consulates are not sovereign territory. See the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. They are inviolate, but that's a different meaning. They still remain under the sovereign jurisdiction of the country in which they are located.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119724138#Comment_119724138

I hate to say it, but if I were to put money on it, that is a Ukrainian Su-24. Difficult to tell with the tail burned, both Russia and Ukraine have similar color schemes but I think the tail marking looks more trident than star., and the Russians seem to be showing a preference for lobbing missiles from a long ways away. Here's a Ukrainian Su-24 to compare with your photo.

This is a Russian Su-25

DontHitTheDitch · 10-10-2022 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726875#Comment_119726875

'he had to draw a line in the sand': it wasn't his own **** sand in the first place.

Curious_Case · 10-10-2022 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726875#Comment_119726875

Woah there horse !

So you're suggesting that there are justifiable reasons for visiting such torment & suffering upon innocent people.

I know you can construct a sentence, that doesn't mean your sense of fairness enjoys an equal level of intelligence quotient.

Curious_Case · 10-10-2022 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119724180#Comment_119724180

Good points, I'm less certain now, especially since there's no information that the driver was recently conscripted for instance.

10-10-2022 04:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119726847#Comment_119726847

I agree with most of this. Whose heart is more in the fight ? Ukraine. No question. Are Russians falling over themselves to participate in the war ? No. They’d rather be getting on with their lives.

The debate (or at least this last part of it) is whether Ukraine can continue to fight successfully if the US no longer supports her? I don’t care if you have painted your granny yellow and blue and tattooed her with Zelensky’s head… the war ends if the US wants to negotiate an end to it. Look how much the US has given compared to Ukraine’s EU “allies”. It’s tuppence ha’penny from us. I’ll give you the first few months… but today ? Would Ukraine still be in with a shout today with US arms + $$$ ?

Hobgoblin11 · 10-10-2022 04:53PM

https://twitter.com/skynewsarabia_b/status/1579448486562787331

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg: We condemn the horrific and indiscriminate Russian attacks against civilians

doyle55 · 10-10-2022 04:55PM

Would Ukraine still be in with a shout today with US arms + $$$ ?

God bless America Jean, and God bless Joe Biden.

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