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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    i.e. precisely what they did in Syria. Quelle surprise.

    This is a PR exercise for Russian domestic consumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    The simple truth is Russia is a terrorist state led by a murderous dictator that has invaded a smaller neighbour. They have raped and killed innocent civilians and committed numerous war crimes. That is the truth laid bare. All your reasonings that you put forward now is to try and excuse that truth. You and a few others have been putting forward this crap since the beginning of the invasion, it has been rebutted beyond doubt but that doesn't stop you repeating it every few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No, it won't be apartment blocks, but surely there would be discussions about hitting military targets within Russian. But as mentioned above there are also options for other countries, expelling diplomats and addressing the farcical situation at the UN.



  • Posts: 9,117 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are these been launched from Russia or where? Could he essentially do this all winter without even 1 additional soldier entering Ukraine? We know he has no regard for life in any way so could this be his new approach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    Watching the RT clips yesterday, you get the sense that Russians are being prepped for a policy of genocide in Ukraine, as if to say Ukrainians, who were neighbours and cousins at the beginning of the year, are now lost to the West. There was almost an air of excitement, as the panelists discussed flooding Europe with refugees. You can shrug it off as mindless agitprop but it's disturbing to hear such vitriolic spewing even from these impotent fools....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    They are being launched from as far away as the Caspian Sea.

    No, he couldn't do this all winter. Missile stocks are finite (and the sanctions mean they can't just restock).

    This is a primarily a PR stunt. It will backfire as it will hasten the delivery of new weapons systems to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭rogber


    Sounds very much like fake news again. What's the ultimatum supposed to be? Surrender unconditionally or we nuke Kyiv at midnight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Okay, to play your game - facts are that simple.

    It is a fact that Russia is a terrorist state led by a murderous dictator that has invaded a smaller neighbour. They have raped and killed innocent civilians and committed numerous war crimes. That is the facts laid bare. All your reasonings that you put forward now is to try and excuse those facts. You and a few others have been putting forward this crap since the beginning of the invasion, it has been rebutted beyond doubt but that doesn't stop you repeating it every few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Usually they are launched from the Russian side of the black sea or air launched from the same area or Belarus,

    I've seen claims of 75 launched and about 40 intercepted by air defenses , but I'm seeing cruise missiles flying over Kiev and no anti aircraft fire



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,328 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Going by Russian prropaganda the "neighbours and cousins" bit was in play when their stooges ran Ukraine, since 2014 it's been very much downgraded and only really in play regarding Donbas. The same spin has labeled the rest of Ukraine as nazi gay liberals backed by NATO and the decadent west.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Biden has handled the situation brilliantly. Russia thought he and the west were weak, but the tables have been turned now. Biden has managed to strengthen NATO, back Ukraine and still not be drawn into direct conflict with Russia. It has been a huge achievement by him personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,328 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It isn't, but the realities tend to be.

    Would European cities be under missile attack as we speak if Russia hadn't invaded? No.

    Would Russia's industry and her economy not been decimated if Russia hadn't invaded? No.

    Would energy concerns been an issue if Russia hadn't invaded? No.

    Would tens of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians be dead or injured if Russia hadn't invaded? No.

    Would millions of people have been displaced if Russia hadn't invaded? No.

    Would NATO have grown if Russia hadn't invaded? No.

    It's a very long list and there's a singular factor behind it all. Plus if this was a plan by the US to bleed Russia it seems to have been an obvious one and yet Russia jumped into the trap with both feet. If Russia had "just" invaded Donbas after some back and forth ballsology in the UN, like the US with Iraq, chances are they would have gotten away with that a lot more easily, but again they jumped in with both feet and screwed up there too.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Clearly Ukraine can't overtly send missiles into Russian cities at present. However they can mount 'special operations' and disclaim all knowledge - the Crimean airbase and Kerch Bridge plus various factories that have gone on fire elsewhere. They could potentially do this anywhere including devastating bombs on Russian commuter trains and the like. The Russian regime must realise that nowhere is safe and protected fully. Very hard to defend against operatives who look like and can speak like ordinary Russian citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,865 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Have you taken Bakhmut yet? Does it not concern you that even with your best troops and equipment, that you've been unable to take it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Clare Daly talking with Pat Kenny right now.

    She is agreeing that Putin is as bad as the dictators.

    Wants to follow the Mexico proposal - dialogue and peace.

    A negotiated peace settlement, is not rolling over apparently.

    She seems to labour under the illusion that Putin will honour the "negotiated peace settlement" he puts his name to and do as the Ukranian people wish. I will be polite and simply describe her as naive.

    I'm disappointed in Pat. He isn't challenging her on her voting record - in our name don't forget with her there as an Irish MEP.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,674 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Claire Daly on Newstalk right now. 🙈🙈🙈


    Pat Kenny giving her an out of character easy ride. He gives the Russian Ambassador a harder time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    "The terrorist country, Russia, has carried out massive missile and air strikes on the territory of Ukraine, also using attack drones. In the morning, the aggressor launched 75 missiles, 41 of them were shot down by our air defence," General Valeriy Zaluzhny said

    Considering how Russia threatened the 'end of the world' response to any attack on Russian territories that has been a lame response from them. Can't be long now and Russia will not have a leg to stand on.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Even if they 'could' do this (and they clearly could, given their clearly effective intelligence and special operations), they shouldn't.

    It would be an own goal of immense proportions, I can't think of anything guaranteed to lose them Western support faster. What they 'should' do is continue to win the conventional war and drive the Russian army out of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    She trusts the Russians apparently.

    And war atrocities have been committed by all sides, not just the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes but we're talking about two very different things here: operations against enemy infrastructure versus deliberate attacks on civilians. So far Ukraine seems to have never done the latter, which ultimately I think is a good thing, but the temptation to do so must be very strong sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    How is Pat treating her? Please tell me he has shredded this demented embarrassment of a witch.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,674 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    The Kremlin said yesterday that Putin called a meeting today to discuss the response to the bridge event. Given he’s signposted it, I don’t think we have seen their official response yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    You don't seem to have addressed much, just fantasies of how your political football team doing well over next few months will inevitably lead to what you desire for some unholy reason (halt of the US support for Ukraine!). Even if the Republicans do quite well in the elections, which is bad, I don't think this will come to pass.

    Anyway, the hypocrisy of the Trumpy US right (i.e. people such as you, sharing lovely Ben Garrison cartoon of vampiric Zelensky grabbing a bag of money!) whose Republican predecessors happily cheerled wasting of trillions of US dollars and thousands of US soldiers lives on a war of choice in Iraq calling Biden/democrats "hawks" for stumping up the tiny by comparison cost for aiding Ukraine here is sickening.

    I think you've judged "Europe" incorrectly too as regards response to hardship, and this war is much closer to home here. Much of population in Europe won't have the liberty that US public may have of just not paying very much attention to it and tuning it out completely. The kind of resolution Europe needs to this is the cost for Russia becoming so intolerable that they can't carry on any more whatever fantasies of Putin and his clique demand. We're getting there slowly I think. An appeasement of Putin/ending support for Ukraine and hoping for a pat on the head won't help Europe with their energy/fossil fuel problems now, and most voters know that very well.

    Also your faux military "analysis" + long paragraphs of nonsense claiming Putin/Russian military has some very "clever" strategy with targetting of civilians and civilian infrastructure in Ukraine are worthless. It's a simple one you don't need to have any expertise in military matters to recognise. Creating terror + panic and sapping will of Ukraine to fight on. It's also happening because Putin/leadership are furious about progress of the war, rhetoric against Ukraine by Russian nationalists etc. has become thoroughly genocidal and Russia is lashing out any way they can. You should have stuck to being scourge of Greta + providing "alternative" Climate Science IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Agreed they shouldn't attack Russian civilians for the moment but the point is that Russian administration must realise that anywhere can be struck if Ukraine starts using guerilla war tactics in Russian cities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's still a lot more they can do to the Ukrainans ,

    The glove's need to be removed and Target Russian cities in direct retaliation every time a Ukrainan city gets hit and Russian city should be hit in direct response



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I'd be quite surprised if there isn't some 'rules of engagement' type protocol that has been agreed at the very top level between Ukraine and its Western supporters. With one of the main topics being what you are and aren't allowed to do outside the borders of Ukraine.



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