Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Hey Valisy, look what we found at the Polish border.

I guess now we know how Darth Putin came to be.

Mild mannered cab driver Vasha Vladimirovich one day, dark lord the next.

I agree, but the strategic benefits of the bridge getting wrecked must be weighed against the risks of a vengeful Putin ordering retaliation strikes against civilians and civilian infrastructure. Is it worth that cost? Can Ukraine do much to prevent those kinds of retaliatory strikes happening, assuming the lines remain as they are?

Maybe an explosive package was dumped from the truck without stopping. Is there any evidence of a DPD van on the bridge at the time?

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Some speculating that it was some sort of boat or maritime drone

They blew the bridge. Let's kill some children.

Do you think Russia will stop targeting Ukrainian civilians if they don't blow up the bridge?

This notion that Ukraine shouldn't do the things it needs to do to defend itself because a vengeful Putin will retaliate in a criminal fashion and kill civilians has no merit. Russia have been behaving in a criminal fashion and killing civilians from the 24th of February (actually, from long before that, but let's just use some kind of reasonable boundary for the sake of discussion). This entire war is Putin's vengeance - it can't be stopped by appeasing that vengeance. Russia don't need an excuse to bomb residential buildings, hospitals, civilian infrastructure - they do it no matter what regardless of what Ukraine target. Ukraine shouldn't be afraid to hit Russia and hit them hard at every available opportunity, because going soft on Russia is only going to prolong the war and end up with more civilian death and destruction.

I think they need to take Kherson city asap. That will free up their troops and give them a base for long range artillery.

Fair points. To be honest, I was thinking of that Zaporizhzhia attack today with the 17 dead and not really stopping to think about the fact that Russia has done so much of this already.

I don't think they ever expected one bomb to take out 2 separate bridges and one divided into two separate lanes.

Obviously targeting beside a Train was meant to amplify the destruction but if they wanted to completely destroy it 2 extra bomb's would be needed.

I think this is to demonstrate to their western allies that Putin will do sweet **** all if they hit it. So they're more likely to get long range weapons going forward.

@rogber

The human heart is funny, I suppose. The attachment to home and family can supersede the fear of death or injury. If I put myself in the shoes of someone who's not even been out their Ukrainian town or village much, never mind the country, I can well imagine that there's such a fear of the unknown in the idea of fleeing as a refugee. You don't know where you're going to end up, but it'll probably be in some strange unfamiliar place where people chatter in a language you can't understand. You don't know if you'll meet friend or foe. Will you ever come back? And who or what will be left there if you do?

I get you. I particularly understand elderly people saying: live or die, they stay where home is.

But younger people, especially with kids,it amazes me that they wouldn't do everything possible to get out, which is why I wondered if it's just too hard to do so because of checkpoints etc

Either way, Putin will be dead soon and the Russians will carry the shame of this war for generations.

I have seen it, it's horrendous. Can totally understand the reluctance to go abroad. I meant more maybe to friends/relatives further west, where it's somewhat safer. Doubtless tens of thousands have. But I guess there can be countless reasons not to leave too