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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,674 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    BBC reporting just now that only the road has collapsed after all. The railway line is intact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Hopefully he pops his clogs from the pressure of it all.

    Undeniable, sustained humiliation meets unassailable delusions of grandeur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And if Russia did set off such a weapon (assuming that they actually have one that works...) what would the response be from the west??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭zv2


    The west has promised a 'catastrophic' attack if nuclear weapons are used.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,214 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Here's a blast from the past that seems germane:

     US sending drone boats for Ukraine port and coast defense

    ...Apr. 20th 2022

    As part of its additional $800 million military aid package the US announced last week, the Department of Defense said it will be providing Ukraine with drone boats – better known as uncrewed surface vessels (USV) – for use against attacking Russian Navy craft in the Black Sea. The US Navy has tended to discuss its USVs as primarily defensive assets designed to intercept, dissuade, and rebuff intruders. But they are also capable of being equipped and deployed for the kind of offensive missions Ukraine may need to stop Russia from continuing brutal offshore rocket attacks on inland cities, or landing ground reinforcements and supplies.

    “They’re designed to help Ukraine with its coastal defense needs… (a)nd I think I’m just going to leave it at that,” Kirby told reporters during a Pentagon briefing. “I’m not going to get into the specific capabilities, but they’re designed to help Ukraine with its coastal defense needs.”

    When asked directly if the craft could be used for attacking Russian ships, Kirby refused to say.

    One thing I remember is that they were providing more than one type and that these were still classified and possibly still experimental, though Kirby did emphasise that they were highly capable.

    “I’m not going to promise you a newsletter, but I can promise that this deadly thing will work.’”

    Well worth pondering on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,537 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Holy fcuk what an absolutely superb and genius operation!


    Stunning they could carry out an operation like that. Absolutely stunning.

    Lol, Putler is having a bad morning.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,214 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    You don't even read the thread, do you? Cop on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    And it’s only one carriageway that collapsed (in two places). The other carriageway and the rail line may well be damaged, but they’re not down (yet).

    Obviously this will have an immediate impact on Russia’s ability to supply Crimea and the other occupied areas, but also obviously Russia will prioritise the bridge’s repair. I think the main impact of this isn't so much the severing of a supply line, it’s that there’s no area of occupied Ukraine that is immune to strikes.

    The bridge is the most strategic, symbolic, prestigious and protected structure that the Russians have in the area, and if it can be hit - and especially hit by something that appears to be other than a missile - then they’ll know that nothing is safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Would you go and fix the bridge while the missiles are flying over your head?

    I don't think so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I've never had any interest in military matters prior to this invasion so I don't know too much about military history. I wonder has there been many instances in history where the armed forces have turned themselves around in such a small length of time as the Ukrainians have since their low point in 2014? Yes, I understand that they are getting huge quantities of equipment and intelligence from NATO but at the end of the day they're the ones who are executing the plans (and possibly even devising the strategies). I think it points at something deeper within the Ukrainian psyche that they have had the strength and self belief to pull this off. I have nothing but admiration for them.



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  • Posts: 55 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently an image of the perpetrator has been released...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,192 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Most likely response to letting off such a weapon would be the complete decimation of all Russian forces within Ukraine via airstrikes, making the Shock and Awe of Baghdad look like an exhibition of soggy sparklers. That's only based on extrapolating what the USA have warned would happen to Russia if they let off even a 'small' device. It's the only move that could firmly rebuke Russia at that point without being seen to match Russia's escalation, which cannot be allowed to happen.

    One thing's for sure, the ferocity of such a blast would be second only to the ferocity of the meltdowns on this thread. (bit of levity, there)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,214 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    On the underwater nuclear blast creating a wave thing. Those downplaying this seem a bit disconnected from reality.

    The US detonated a 26 Kiloton bomb near Bikini Atol in the Marshal islands under a fleet of naval vessels - operation Crossroads, Baker shot. The spray of ejected water was probably worse than the wave generated, but that wasn't in itself small:

    At 11 seconds after detonation, the first wave was 1,000 feet (305 m) from surface zero and 94 feet (29 m) high.[108] By the time it reached the Bikini Island beach, 3.5 miles (6 km) away, it was a nine-wave set with shore breakers up to 15 feet (5 m) high, which tossed landing craft onto the beach and filled them with sand.


    atomic bomb bikini baker wave.jpg

    Now that was a little bomb of 26 kiloton yield. The Russian Tsar bomb was 50 megatons, detuned from 100 megatons to let the plane dropping it escape. So anyone dismissing an underwater blast 3846 times stronger than the one in that image, is being naive.

    I believe their Poseidon nuclear powered nuclear torpedo drone that can travel 10,000 km at 100 kph, supposedly has a yield of 2 megatons, but likely could be fitted with something with a far greater yield.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ironically the instance that comes to mind is the reversal of Germany’s fortunes when attacking Russia during WW2. Stalin had readied his escape to the Far East…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,192 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ah, I've heard this before. In fact, this was the line after Russia unilaterally annexed those territories within Ukraine, 2 weeks ago. We don't know what Putin's line actually is. Although the fear of Putin being pushed to that point increases with every kilometre Ukraine retakes, we still don't know for sure if Putin is truly prepared to deploy nukes for any piece of Russian-occupied Ukraine. Putin himself may not even know that.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russia’s greatest sign of weakness would be detonating a nuke. It’s their last throw of the dice, risking annihilation.

    How the corrupt have fallen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,214 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They have been receiving training in and with the US since Maidan.

    I found this to be a bit of an eye opener, as previously I was unaware of just how much has been going on:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭rogber


    Your post was about people claiming Russia Today is a reliable source, now you're changing your tune having been called out....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Was looking for an old map of Ukraine when there was talk of Russia having some claim to Crimea historically and found this one posted again recently. It is dated from 1919 and as well as showing Crimea to be part of Ukraine it shows areas accepted to be part of Russia like Rostov on the river Don were at that time also part of Ukraine and it had a border with Georgia. The Ukrainians from what I can see are completely right to want to bring their borders back to where they were before the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014 in spite of anything Elon Musk thinks about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭rogber


    Wait, you're suggesting that Musk is behind this or had inside knowledge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,564 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Scanning through the Russian press, the blowing up of the Crimean bridge is a massive story in their media : way, way bigger than the sinking of the Moskva.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    I wouldnt mike to be on a big old slow ferry with ukrainian missiles around either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Lol we're back to talking about Tsar Bombs again. Russia are a country of bullshitters at this stage. Their military have been shown for what they are, rapists, torturers and murderers. Great against civilians absolutely useless against a determined & organised military force.

    The Ukrainians have put it up to Putin and his junta here and if as I expect the Russians do nothing than just take it out on civilian targets the US should then supply ATACMS missiles for the HIMARS systems and other longer range weapons and give Ukraine the tools to expel the Russians quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭rogber


    The strategies, intelligence, training, weapons are all from NATO and US, they're being guided every step of the way.

    But they do need the discipline and tenacity and courage to execute the operations. An excellent example of teamwork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    The problem is you can't stop the cooling process for years so the fact the reactors are actually shut down really makes no odds, particularly with spent fuel rods which will just heat up again after they were already cooled if you don't keep cooling them for a very long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The fire damage alone would have compromised the structure quite a bit and that's before you take into account the shockwave from the explosion.

    I wouldn't like to be on a heavy goods train carrying extremely heavy items like tanks on this compromised structure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yeah I understand that NATO have revolutionised how the Ukrainian army operates but for them to do that and have it hold up in battle a mere 8 years later is nothing short of stunning (and a severe indictment of the RU). The Afghan army got twice as much time and a lot more resources and collapsed at the first sign of pressure. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Actually, earlier on there were posts here about a big increase in houses for sale in Crimea. After the bridge bombing, I imagine that property prices in Crimea will plummet. Anyone looking for a bargain, could start looking at Crimea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Expect to hear a report of how on the 6th hour another supply train falls into the sea because they didn't bother to check the stability of the joints on the burned segment of the rail-bridge.

    Could also be in ok condition...but 5 hours is just plain headless. A day at least to see if the bridge needs to reinforced or if essential parts of the structure haven't been warped by the heat of that fire.



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