BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

They really are nothing but a bunch of absolute clowns.

That didn't happen, and the referendum wasn't about sovereignty; it was about leaving the EU.

I wasn't replying to that question. Speaking of, did you ever reply to the various questions about your quote attribution to Ta-Nehisi Coates in the Biden thread a while ago? I accused you of lying and, I still think you did. Unless of course you retract.

Sorry, it was reported somewhere this morning that he had said it was a mistake, it seems that he didn't actually say mistake.

The tweet said it was a "distraction"...

Whatever they say, it's a really bad sign for their future plans.

Id tend to agree.

I think it may have been a final relisation that a post Brexit relationship with the EU involved more than just a round table between London, Paris and Berlin.

And I think Truss's meeting with Biden last week may have been a factor.

Another realisation, this time that a deal with the US doesn't happen, regardless of who is in the White House without dealing with NI in a professional and diplomatic way.

This is a major climb down and humiliation for Truss. A new leader who should be flush with the new leader bounce, and her signature idea, that redistribution is not an issue but growth and reduction in taxes is the key driver of the economy, has been left in tatters

She is now a leader in name only. What should have been a corination speech at the party conference will now be nothing more than a paint-by-numbers waste of time where nothing she said will be taken as meaningful. She can blame Kwasi all she likes, but this is on her and only yesterday morning when was staying fully committed to it.

Trust between the PM and the CX is now completely broken, with Kwasi feeling that he has been hung out to dry and the PM clearly blaming his for his inability to deliver it.

Id say she will say that and she will be fine.

Remember the Conservative MPs don't want a general election.

They will take Truss and the CX at their word and hope the whole mess goes away.

If the markets stabilise that will be enough for now.

But of course there will be another drama just around the corner to deal with next.

Genuine question on the British "constitution" - as monarch, could Charles have Johnson, Truss, Mogg and their co-conspirators thrown in the tower for treason since their actions over the past few years have been placing their own financial interests (and those of their financial backers / Russian handlers) above the interests of the nation?

He really must be tempted...

I know that in practice the British monarch has been nothing more than a figurehead for the past century or so, that the British constitution is pretty wooly and that the Queen always chose to stay out of politics but I'm wondering whether there are ancient laws that haven't been properly taken out of their legal code which could be used by the monarch to rescue parliament from traitors to the state...

I mean surely Johnson's lying to the Queen during the prorogation scandal alone would qualify as treason?

Kay Burley completely destroys The Chief Secretary to the Treasury in an interview this morning.

I would be pretty sure that Sky has been told about the document, but don't have a copy so can't prove him to be lying.

It is a complete mess. They have listened but at no point are admitting their mistake or explaining what effect this will have on the growth plan that apparently required this tax cut in order to work. So is growth now no longer important?

Given they were saying this tax cut would lead to higher tax take, what impact will the now lower tax tax have?

Rescuing the country from the cabal currently running it into the ground sounds like a good return on triggering a constitutional crisis that might result in a future monarch not being able to do the same thing again tbh.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm certainly not a royal follower or anything like it but from what I've seen of him, I suspect Charles might actually more left leaning that one might imagine a man in his circumstances to be. My feeling would be that he'd be more closely politically aligned with the likes of Rory Stewart's brand of conservatism (fiscal prudence, monarchist, environmentalism etc) than Jacob Rees Moggs disaster capitalism.