It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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The plan to cut the 45p tax rate has been dropped.
Kwarteng has tweeted that they made a mistake.
They really are nothing but a bunch of absolute clowns.
They wanted sovereignty over their own affairs.
The public were quite clear on that.
That didn't happen, and the referendum wasn't about sovereignty; it was about leaving the EU.
Ok, they didn't leave then.
I wasn't replying to that question. Speaking of, did you ever reply to the various questions about your quote attribution to Ta-Nehisi Coates in the Biden thread a while ago? I accused you of lying and, I still think you did. Unless of course you retract.
And how is that going?
I don't think anyone without a significant interest in UK politics even knows who Baker is. I would disagree on that basis and because it makes no difference. Liz Truss couldn't even say Emmanuel Macron was an important ally. Meaningless words that would have cost nothing but she had to virtue signal to her cretinous base.
The EU have been dealing with the UK for over half a decade now. Nothing is being rolled back. I'm inclined to think Baker was being genuine.
Looks like Kwarteng has u-turned though.
a mistake ? It’s amazing how policies and the like seem to never be mistakes pre announcement isn’t it ?
Sorry, it was reported somewhere this morning that he had said it was a mistake, it seems that he didn't actually say mistake.
The tweet said it was a "distraction"...
Whatever they say, it's a really bad sign for their future plans.
So, it's just like it was under BoJo. "Pre-"announce something, get a reaction, do a 180. Was this all so Kwasi No Dough's budwans could make a killing last week shorting the pound, get the Bank to bail out the economy and then feck off to their islands to cook up their next manipulation?
Seems like we've heard this all repeatedly the last 6 years especially. Who needs BoJo when you've got a less clueful version running the circus?
I'm inclined to think Baker was being genuine.
Id tend to agree.
I think it may have been a final relisation that a post Brexit relationship with the EU involved more than just a round table between London, Paris and Berlin.
And I think Truss's meeting with Biden last week may have been a factor.
Another realisation, this time that a deal with the US doesn't happen, regardless of who is in the White House without dealing with NI in a professional and diplomatic way.
It was a pretext of soverignty but the people were told that the UK would hold all the cards and other nonsense. There was no understanding that if you wish to trade with other nations then you must produce to their minimum standards. This still has not sunk in with the British and they are still being fed the nonsense that the EU is punishing them rather than the EU has standards and any country planning on selling their produce there must follow those standards.
Britain can be as sovereign as it wishes. Nobody ever stopped that. However, in a modern world where countries buy and sell from each other, being a sovereign nation is not what it was when Victoria was Empress.
This is a major climb down and humiliation for Truss. A new leader who should be flush with the new leader bounce, and her signature idea, that redistribution is not an issue but growth and reduction in taxes is the key driver of the economy, has been left in tatters
She is now a leader in name only. What should have been a corination speech at the party conference will now be nothing more than a paint-by-numbers waste of time where nothing she said will be taken as meaningful. She can blame Kwasi all she likes, but this is on her and only yesterday morning when was staying fully committed to it.
Trust between the PM and the CX is now completely broken, with Kwasi feeling that he has been hung out to dry and the PM clearly blaming his for his inability to deliver it.
Can they not just say "lessons have been learned" and say they are moving on like what happens here?
Id say she will say that and she will be fine.
Remember the Conservative MPs don't want a general election.
They will take Truss and the CX at their word and hope the whole mess goes away.
If the markets stabilise that will be enough for now.
But of course there will be another drama just around the corner to deal with next.
They now know they have a PM that the backbenchers can control. She will be their puppet now.
backbenchers can control all PMs if there are enough of them. Given her majority it took crass stupidity to bring things to this level.
Technically yes but a strong PM will get them to row in behind.
Genuine question on the British "constitution" - as monarch, could Charles have Johnson, Truss, Mogg and their co-conspirators thrown in the tower for treason since their actions over the past few years have been placing their own financial interests (and those of their financial backers / Russian handlers) above the interests of the nation?
He really must be tempted...
I'd say he is tempted but basically Charles is a figurehead and is not suppose to get involved in politics, Kinda like our own President. Sure the government have told Charles that he is not take about environmental issues.
But I'm sure if him and few others had their way there would be a few of those Tories not just in the dungeon in the tower (some of the tories would love that) but would have them in stocks in Trafalgar Square so that the public could throw crap at them.
I know that in practice the British monarch has been nothing more than a figurehead for the past century or so, that the British constitution is pretty wooly and that the Queen always chose to stay out of politics but I'm wondering whether there are ancient laws that haven't been properly taken out of their legal code which could be used by the monarch to rescue parliament from traitors to the state...
I mean surely Johnson's lying to the Queen during the prorogation scandal alone would qualify as treason?
There may well be but it would trigger a constitutional crisis. There's also the fact that Charles is a 73 year old, incredibly wealthy man. He probably approves of everything Truss is doing except for fracking and abandoning net zero.
Kay Burley completely destroys The Chief Secretary to the Treasury in an interview this morning.
I would be pretty sure that Sky has been told about the document, but don't have a copy so can't prove him to be lying.
It is a complete mess. They have listened but at no point are admitting their mistake or explaining what effect this will have on the growth plan that apparently required this tax cut in order to work. So is growth now no longer important?
Given they were saying this tax cut would lead to higher tax take, what impact will the now lower tax tax have?
you can take your pick from the next dramas…
changing the party’s stance on the protocol
introducing plans to increase immigration
the OBR report
cuts to the health budget (a budget which was protected even through the Osborne austerity years)
cuts to benefits
fight with Bank of England and likely slow sterling deterioration
planning
Michael Gove’s behind the scenes shenanigans
and there are probably some unknowns unknowns in there too. Not a chance she turns things around in the next two years with those issues facing her. Not enough time to show any growth
Rescuing the country from the cabal currently running it into the ground sounds like a good return on triggering a constitutional crisis that might result in a future monarch not being able to do the same thing again tbh.
Maybe I'm wrong, I'm certainly not a royal follower or anything like it but from what I've seen of him, I suspect Charles might actually more left leaning that one might imagine a man in his circumstances to be. My feeling would be that he'd be more closely politically aligned with the likes of Rory Stewart's brand of conservatism (fiscal prudence, monarchist, environmentalism etc) than Jacob Rees Moggs disaster capitalism.
LBC (James OB) said this guy philps gonna be the sacrifical lamb
Someone has to go and clearly the story about it being "his idea" was leaked to build the pressure and in the next few days the actual letter will get released and he will get moved on.
It being "his idea" doesn't absolve Truss and Kwarteng from agreeing with it and going for it.
It's all so painfully transparent.
Even the Daily Mail got caught out with the speed of the u-turn on the tax rate.
They thought that they were still supposed to be defending it and then had to change their front page between print runs during the night!..
Russian handlers? This is the government that is doing as much, if not more than any other government to support the military of Ukraine in defeating Russia.
may I humble suggest that you don't believe everything you read on Boards.ie?
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