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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think in the NATO Russia Founding Act that applies to all new NATO countries such as Poland. Also no permanent NATO bases.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    For most part their is no Nato bases ,they tend to be the members own bases before they joined nato ,it always shown on maps showing hundreds of Nato bases but rarely does anyone say actually no , there's 28 members states all with their own military facilities, tagged as Nato bases



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    I don't know if this is legit but it really sums up the war-


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.


    "America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.


    When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,167 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think there's a case to say that Finland should be expelling ethnic Russians at this point, especially recent arrivals, and closing all road/rail crossings. If Russians want to escape to Finland, they can try going through the forest, taking their chances with the grey wolf and brown bear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    @odyssey06 Putfuck will have an excuse one way or another.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wouldn't be one bit surprised,

    Wonder what happened to the freezer trucks they were using to transport their dead to unmarked graves 8 years ago.

    But how many militaries have mobile creamatoriums for the dead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,511 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It was reported a few months ago (could have been 18 months ago) that Russia opened an old border crossing into Finland where a large group of armed men crossed into Finland , no one in Finland was informed..

    They definitely need to be on the ball especially now they are heading into Nato membership ,I wouldn't trust any of the Russians entering Finland especially men of fighting age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    His election was unconstitutional because he was a Russian agent.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    Wow, again heavy on propaganda no fact. The Maidin revolution was the will of the people of Ukraine not the US. That is a fact amply being demonstrated every single day for the last 200 days by brave Ukrainians laying down their lives in support of the sovereignty they gained in the Maiden revolution. Their continued unstinting bravery and actions prove your propaganda to be a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,167 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Housefree

    When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover,

    (closing storybook)

    "....and so, the Ukrainian president was replaced by an American-selected one, ending a long and proud tradition of the Ukrainian president being selected by Russia."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    That's the US fighting Russia down to the last Ukrainian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    That or Ukraine not in NATO but with nuclear weapons. That's the extreme but Russia have made it clear by their actions over 2.5 decades that being their neighbour is unsafe without one of those two deterrents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    More Rubbish from you.

    Folks not worth the time debunking this, it is what the poster wants, they will be along to try and derail the thread again shortly with something else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    I have seen no pictures of Americans forcibly conscripting Ukrainians to fight the Russian war of aggression. Indeed Ukraine have repeatedly stated they have too many volunteers. As for Russia, plenty of evidence unwilling scared drunk screaming crying young men been forced into their military. So another lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,167 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Russia's never really gotten the irony in threatening neighbouring countries who want to join NATO, has it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    How would the US react if Russia imposed a leader in Mexico? Would they be ok with Russian arms on their border? Where was Cuban sovereignty when they wanted to put Russian arms on their country. It's do as I say not as I do.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    That phrase you (and the Russian administration) keep using isn’t nearly as clever as you think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm inclined to agree at least in part with your dad. My father went off for service in WW2 and my grandfathers both enlisted and fought in WW1. I've often pondered that my generation have been lucky to escape a major European conflict as regardless of what we think of the evils of war - we would be dragged into it by societal pressure.

    But and it has to be said, looked at coldly, we have a lot of fat in the system collected over the last 50+years. War has been and is a reset for society, it obliges people to make hard choices and value what is important. Put glibly, war cleans out / kills a lot of what are otherwise a drain on society, the weak, ill and elderly and those young men mostly who live blighted useless lives fueled by drugs. It gives purpose as you say, even if that purpose results in a lot of misery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    This post inspired me to go back and read the first page. So, the first few posts are unremarkable and the thread was quickly forgotten about. Last November, a full five months later it's resurrected and then immediately WHAM, the Putin admirers arrive. Funnily enough you don't see too many of those posters (who aren't banned) post here anymore.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If, as it seems like, Russia is overly targeting East Russia minorities will China be okay with this? If I was XI I’d roll a few tanks closer to the open goal that is the Russian border and say, ‘nice country you got there, shame if anything were to happen to it’.

    Might make Putin change his mind about sending ethnic Chinese into the meat grinder that is facing Increasingly NATO level weapons with WW1 rifles and increasingly poor “command” structure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    I referred to self delusion fact regard to your posting yesterday. Here it is again.


    Elected is not imposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Cordell


    How would the US react if Russia imposed a leader in Mexico?

    I suppose whatever they would have done wouldn't involve mass graves full of executed civilians, including children.

    And in any case, the Ukrainian leader was democratically elected and there were no NATO troops ever in Ukraine so your fantasy is just that, a russian apologist whataboutery fantasy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Food secure by whose metric though, that's the question?

    Do we have any significant heavy industry production? Can we say, for example, produce tractors? Or raw materials for spare parts, like oil based products ie: rubber for tyres, plastic etc. Can we produce enough fertilizer?

    The list is practically endless. If we have to overly rely on outside assistance for these things, then you cannot really say our agriculture sector is self reliant. We're food secure based on current conditions.

    I'm not referring to current conditions however, when I suggest that we are a highly vulnerable nation.

    And despite our economic capabilities, because our political system consistently creates terrible leaders, we are highly vulnerable to poor decision making from these leaders. Hence why our nation went bankrupt, despite having so many apparent economic advantages on our side.

    You cannot escape the consequences of bad leadership, no matter what area of society it's in.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    one would hope the above post is enough to get a one way ticket to posting privileges in the conspiracy forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,167 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ukraine has been pivoting away from Russia for 20 years, first with the Orange Revolution and then Maidan. You're saying that the US is installing leaders in Ukraine, when it's pretty clear that the grassroots in Ukraine has been striving to escape the Russian sphere of influence for decades. If you're a Ukrainian, especially a young one, the choice is stark - be a part of the CSTO countries which are authoritarian, corrupt, socially regressive and economically stagnant, or be a part of the EU and the West with the prosperity and opportunity that entails. It's a fairly easy choice. Unfortunately, it's something Russia cannot handle. Well, here's a bit of truth for you - until Russia stops being such a shít country (vs what it could be), it's going to keep losing friends and partners. As the saying goes - don't go chasing butterflies, but rather tend to your own garden.

    Now, as for the USA trying to invade countries like Cuba whose populations didn't want them there, that was wrong. It's about as simple as that. Similarly, the population of Ukraine do not welcome Russian soldiers, so it's time for them to go home. They will go home, but would they like to go back upright or horizontal? Talkative or taciturn?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    But you do see them, they have reregistered. There were 7 or 8 regular posters over the last decade who always sprouted Russian propaganda. Their decade of lies here can be quoted and shown to be lies, so instead of continuing to post under the old names where their lies can be resurrected and thrown in their faces I suspect they reregistered since February.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,471 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They would laugh at how hilarious the attempt was (and it would be hilarious given how disastrously all russians attempt at anything is going these days).

    There is no one as dumb as trump in Mexico, so they would happily take the money and putin would get zilch in return bar maybe a new pair of high heel boots as a thank you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    It won't make the west or Ukraine look bad at all. Even thousands of poorly armed minorities need to be dealt with if they're invading your country intent on killing your people. Putin will look bad for using them as cannon fodder.



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