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Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Never heard of this

    Really? But you are confident to proclaim sweeping policy going forward? 😕

    Also it doesn't matter what the laws say since migrants aren't much into obeying laws and no action can be taken against them.

    That's not racist at all.

    I think we are done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    The problem for Ireland is that there is no right wing political parties so there is no balance and without that balance all you have is bad outcomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Both FF and FG are right of centre.

    You are equating progression in society as left wing ideals, predominately human rights, they aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Both FF and FG are "catch all" centrist parties, who move to the left or right on specific issues and at specific times in order to try and maximise their vote. Neither are right wing, as seen on immigration for example where their policies are to encourage immigration in order to keep wages down as stated by the Central bank previously. Strangely enough, left wing parties also support the same policy, despite the fact that it keeps wages artificially low. If they were right wing then they would be following policies on immigration that right wing parties on the continent follow.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    What is racist about it? Look at what it is happening in Dover. Albanians (white people) arriving without paperwork just like all the rest.


    I class them as not much into obeying laws just as I would class the rest as such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What's racist about labelling all migrants as criminals?

    Is there is something wrong with you?

    We are definitely done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Centrist stable government is a good thing. It's one of the many reasons we get foreign direct investment here.

    Ireland is one of the most prosperous progressive and safe nations in the World.

    But of course you have the preputial contrarians who want to vote far right, same cohort who have rarely left their house let alone their village. But see far right governance as some sort of utopian bliss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Okay. We're done. Incidentally you didn't explain your earlier point about "pausing free movement". You provided no link.

    Also it doesn't even matter since Ireland isn't in Schengen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Original post:

    For Jobseeker's Allowance, you satisfy a means test

    Yes. I said that.

    After your edit:

    You found one that you need to have worked to be able to receive.

    Why yes, how gracious of you to admit you were wrong - apology accepted. 🙄

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    FF and FG were traditionally seen as centre-right parties but have been moving to the left at an alarming rate since the rise of populist SF.

    Both parties can now be classified as centre-left parties or Fianna Gael as there is barely any discernible difference between the two policy wise.

    Human rights etc are liberal ideals espoused by failed utopian liberal institutions such as the UN and EU.

    The real power should and always does lie with actual states themselves but our gutless, spineless, virtue signalling 'leaders' are always to eager to please their liberal masters to engage in realpolitik or realist politics where one's own nation is always the priority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    always to eager to please their liberal masters

    You mean the same government who took the EU to court to give back a private American tech company billions? How subservient and how very liberal. 😂

    Anyway, I'll ask again who are these far right parties you are telling people to vote for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    The example you quote is to do with Ireland's corporation tax rate and the fact that the country is effectively a tax avoidance haven for big tech. And which other country would take a court case so as not to take billions of legitimate tax revenue.

    Even so if the Irish government are as illiberal as you claim then why don't they disobey the EU directive and be taken to court rather than pay billions to unverified welfare tourists from one of the most corrupt states in the EU to the detriment of their own people and economy.

    As for right-wing parties in Ireland...




  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Local school has made an extra class for the Ukrainians. 17 students are from Ukraine and the other 3 are Irish who were taken from the other 2 original classes. Seems very dumb and unfair to those 3 kids to remove them from all their friends and put them in a room where the majority don’t speak the same language. They’re only very young as well. Just criticising the school here, not the Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Even so if the Irish government are as illiberal as you claim then why don't they disobey the EU directive

    I never claimed they were "illiberal", I said right of centre and nothing is more right of centre than spending millions to fight a court case for one of the richest companies in the world.

    The EU directive is incorporated into Irish law, this far right government you crave you'd have no problem with them breaking Irish law, would you?

    As for right-wing parties in Ireland...

    According to the article there is 3, National Party, the Irish Freedom Party and Renua.

    Renua been the most "popular" but currently without an actual leader. 😂

    You'd be largely supportive of their policies, which are basically treat women like cattle and the gays will burn in hell.

    I can't see them doing well lad. Which one will you be voting for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I have to say if they were my kids I would object strongly to them being taken from their classmates like that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    They left out Gemma O'D's "party" (which, ironically, has policies that would break Irish law and statutes of the Irish constitution, as well as international treaties, such as jailing people that Gemma doesn't like. Without trial. Even Putin has show trials!)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    None of your business who I vote for and don't put words in my mouth about what policies I support.

    You asked me a question as to what right-wing parties were in Ireland and I linked you to an article written by an eminent political scientist not some random internet poster.

    There are alternatives for people as there should be in any liberal democracy, it's up to the electorate whether to accept or reject them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Huh? If I am voting for someone or a "party" it is because I would be in favour of their policies.

    Also telling people to vote far right because it's their only option and not refusing to say which party you'd vote for is pretty lets say "discrete". 👍️

    Anyway voting for any of those archaic hateful neerdowells would be the same as spoiling your vote.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gem Gem has a party?

    Jesus can you imagine the Whatsapp groups?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Read the article. Come to your own conclusions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Oh no Micheal. Are you xenophobic or racist or both for stating Ireland would have to assess the situation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    He's waiting for the EU to tell him what to



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    OK, well I still say we are full. Full to Ukrainians, full to Russians, full to all fleeing whatever situation in whatever country until the Housing crisis here is tackled.

    My point is, we won't see Helen, Micheal and Varadkar telling us all we must bend over backwards and screw the consequences to welcome an unlimited number of Russians fleeing the war.

    Equally myself and other posters and Micheal would not be labelled xenophobic, racist etc because the Russians are from the "bad" side of the border.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Russians and Ukrainians together in Ireland eh?


    Reminds me a bit of Leicester recently with the Muslims and Sikhs not living too much in harmony.


    Any Russians coming would be in Ireland for the long term. Putin would have no place for those traitors and even if he is deposed I think even his successor would not let them off the hook.



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