Russia - threadbanned users in OP

No one fleeing should be given asylum. It just acts as a pressure relief valve for Russia. Rather than them and their families hitting the streets in protest which they should have done months ago but were instead happy enough to see Ukrainians die.

Those who get brought to the front line and surrender should be taken by the Ukrainians, placed in internment camps and re-educated there. Not a Russian toe should see European soil.

People talk about the Iraq war but more people turned out in Ireland to protest the Iraq war than the turned out in all of Russia to protest this one. Fcuk them. There's only so long you can excuse their apathy and they have as much access to information as any of us these days.

If you read through it I just used his own language back at him, basically copied and pasted most of it, so I agree that's what the OP did, your reply would be better directed at him

It is exactly what you said and inanely posting emojis doesn't alter what we all read. You said war against Poland would have followed which is total horsesh*t

It was the other poster who stated Fox & CNN, I was replying to him, read the threads to get the context.

I'd agree not many watch Fox, maybe a bit more for CNN as it's on Freesat

Ah, so you're getting a little ratty now!...To repeat...I don't watch either of them + watch very little tv "news"/infotainment (as I think Fox may have described themselves as). I'm not the one working to undermine and weaken the place I live in (if you are in EU/Ireland), in your very minor & small way I admit, posting up little messages of demoralisastion (your musings on European politics + what-a-boutisms), or in support for a hostile foreign power rattling the nuclear sabre at us all. That would be you "housefree"!

The UN in its current form should be disbanded tomorrow.... Its current state is farcical.

Create a new body where there are no Veto votes ..2/3 majority might be an idea. At this point a lot of money, resources and time is wasted on a disfunctional body being held ransom by a failed rogue state.

I think a lot of people have forgotten some of the stuff at the beginning of all this that reflects Russia's true goals and intent. They think Russia wouldn't dare attack a NATO country in fear of retalliation. So week has been the west in the face of past Russian attrocities, that Putin has formed the opinion that the west is corroded, weak and without a backbone and that his nuclear threat trumps all and that there would not be a significant retalliation if he invaded or attacked a NATO country.

“From Lisbon to Vladivostok,”Russian ex-pres. Medvedev unveils Putin’s goal ... “To change the bloody and full of false myths consciousness of part of Ukrainians is the most important goal. The goal is for the sake of the peace of future generations of Ukrainians themselves and the opportunity to finally build an open Eurasia - from Lisbon to Vladivostok," Medvedev stated." https://frontnews.ge/en/news/details/22409

The only way to achieve such a goal is by force. Nothing less than the russification of all of Europe - 'all your bases are belong to us.'

@robinph

Make the case to who? Why bother with referenda? Why not just say, "The whole of Ukraine belongs to Russia. We have a rightful and historic claim on the territory, and are enforcing that due to Western infiltration. We will not tolerate NATO on our borders or Ukraine falling out of social or economic alignment with Russia. The western-backed Zelensky government has one week to accept our demands or accept the consequences."? Why pussyfoot? If you're going to threaten nuclear retaliation, wouldn't it make more sense to do it over the whole of Ukraine than a few eastern provinces? In for a penny, in for a pound.

To answer my own question - it's because Putin hasn't the capability or the nerve to really do half of what he's threatening.

Celtic vs Rangers fans comes to mind but with a body count not injury count.

Help me out here. This far right problem you talk about; what have been it's consequences in lives lost, deaths torture, rapes, etc. Put some figures on this. I have all day.

Plenty of people would consume Fox & CNN clips through social media though, this is something that Wibbs is possibly neglecting to consider.

You don't have to sit down every evening and watch these channels, in order to be influenced by their content to some degree. You possibly don't even realise you've been getting drip fed their content if you're watching the occasional 30 second clip on twitter etc.

IT workers (you need someone to hack foreign organisations and program bot farms), bankers and employees of state media (no doubt their relatives too) exempt from being called up.

Russian government showing who it values