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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I think the discussion is about Germany actively calling on Russians to claim asylum there, and Estonia expressly saying they won’t accept Russians fleeing.

    furthermore, Estonian politicians are condemning the German policy:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I am conflicted over it. Such asylum was a very difficult thing to get back in the Cold war. In some ways, the situation that now exists between EU-Russia is worse than that. Why is the EU obliged to just let Russian's (citizens of a hostile state) in who show up at the border now, after their damascene conversion about the evils of the Ukraine war?

    They can go to Turkey or Israel or whatever, most of them able to flee at a moments notice now Putin's making moves to call them up for war probably have the money to do that. Why is the EUs job to be the bolt-hole for everyone on earth fleeing these scumbag dictators? All the while we get abused and threatened with war by these dictators and strong men on the regular, while majority of citizens in these places either keep the head well down or even cheer on the revisionism/revanchism and militarism (until the dictator turns on them or their family of course)!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Which channel RT.com? It wasn't closed down just banned by the freedom of speech loving west, it's still running but harder to access...well freedom of speech loving unless they don't like what you say, then they lock you up for life, like the journalist Julian Assange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,161 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Germany could say that they will accept Russian refugees, but such is their security concerns that the refugees will have to live in secure camps where they will receive basic amenities in return for labour geared towards humanitarian aid in Ukraine.

    Now, yes, camps in Germany housing an ethnic minority? Not a fantastic look, given the history of that, but these are extraordinary times.

    It would, of course, be easier just to not accept any Russian, but that begs the question do those people stay in Russia and protest the war, or does Russia gain any advantage by sending them to be cannon fodder?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I am somewhat conflicted over the general point also, but an Estonian MP saying that all citizens bear responsibility for the actions of a dictator is a bit rich when she is basically blaming a significant portion of her own population for the actions of the USSR.

    I don't believe it is the EU's "job" to look after these people, but there is also a perfectly good argument that every single man not joining the army is a win for Ukraine. Demanding they instead be forced into the army and sent to Ukraine seems like just blood lust.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    No, there was an alternative tv channel. I’ll have to go back this thread to the first days of the invasion to find what it was called.

    Edit: it was the Russian authorities that went in to their studio and physically removed them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Exactly, it's bizarre that he would make such a stupid threat.

    It's very useful though, the West can now use it to justify whatever they deem appropriate.

    He's an idiot, he has no hope against the West, conventional or otherwise, so he squares up to them ????

    Then again, the West knows he hasn't made any status changes to his nuclear posture so maybe it's all just for his domestic herd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Considering the hostility that has been expressed towards Estonia historically as well as now from Russia i think Estonia are doing the right thing.

    I can't see how from a security perspective, with the very real prospect that they will be attacked, they can allow large numbers of Russian men have sanctuary there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    The west are willing to fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian, they aren't going to put their population or fighters at risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes, you're right the more that refuse a draft the better it is for Ukraine, and I don't hold each and every Russian collectively responsible for this war.

    Just don't think the EU needs to be taking risks and letting them in en masse (everyone who shows up at the border claiming asylum from Putin, because they might be drafted tomorrow!).

    There are many other places they can go in the world (though they are less cozy, easygoing and accommodating than EU countries) and other (though admittedly more dangerous) ways to get out of fighting if it comes to it, or oppose the regime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    That was Dozhd TV wasn't it? There was a BBC documentary about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    This is absurd. Overweight 50 year old supermarket workers in the Territorial Defence do not suddenly get mistaken for special forces and start performing like GI Joe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,070 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Russia would already be defeated by Western fighters if it didn't have nuclear weapons.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I wouldn't be letting any of the Russian F*****s into this country. And I'd rounding up all Russians here inc our man in the embassy and kicking them out. Likewise Ukrainian males wanted for service in their country, immediate repatriation for them to do their bit as best they can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You might be superised what people can do when they face the threat of extinction at the hands of a foreign invader.

    So much for pro Ukraine..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Aviation update:

    I've mentioned a few times here about the, almost forgotten, enclave that is Kaliningrad.

    Kaliningrad is unique in that it is, in the eyes of Russia, a veritable "aircraft carrier/missile platform" in a perfect strategic position in Europe, but also a particularly vulnerable one.

    Airtraffic, both commercial and military, has increased exponentially into Kaliningrad over the last few weeks, with thousands of tonnes of equipment being shipped along a very circular route over the Baltic. ( Lithuania stopped all rail transits from Russia to Kaliningrad)

    This morning, NATO surveillance flights all around Kaliningrad have tripled, with everything from 2 x Swedish ELINT platforms over the Baltic Sea, A US army SIGNIT King Air to the North, an RAF RC-135 conducting a complete, encircling sweep of the Enclave, which it has never done, plus numerous refuelling and support Aircraft, all in operation around the area.

    Something very interesting is happening here. Kaliningrad is known to have upgraded and increased its nuclear ballistic missile facilities and is now hosting a flight of Mig-31's, among others. The Migs carry the Kinzhal nuclear-tipped hypersonic missile.

    In my opinion, if a tactical nuke was to be deployed by Russia, this is how it would be done. Hence the massively increased surveillance of Kaliningrad currently underway. Please see below:

    Screenshot_20220923-093752_Flightradar24.jpg Screenshot_20220923-093804_Flightradar24.jpg Screenshot_20220923-093821_Flightradar24.jpg Screenshot_20220923-093833_Flightradar24.jpg Screenshot_20220923-093902_Flightradar24.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Sounds more like you're annoyed because you want YOUR side to win. Even if that means a prolonged war and more suffering all round.

    What Petersen is saying makes a great deal of sense, and what I like about him is that he doesn't really care how many noses he puts out of joint with his opinions. At the same time I really don't get the impression that he's deliberately trying to get a reaction or be controversial for the sake of it.

    Russia hold the better cards, no matter how many people try to convince themselves that the opposite is true. This doesn't mean that Putin and Russia cannot lose spectacularly, if they make major miscalculations. But the odds are greater that they succeed in some fashion, and leave Ukraine in a sorry mess for generations to come. If Russia are prepared to suffer until the bitter end for some sort of result, then it's unlikely that the west will be able to stop them. Their nuclear arsenal effectively makes them as powerful as any other superpower in the sense that it's almost impossible to secure a decisive victory against them... even if they're nowhere near as powerful as the US/China etc when gauged by other metrics - Economics, equipment, technology etc.

    Wishing or pretending this isn't the case, doesn't achieve anything. And we all know just how much the west loves to live in their own little fantasy land when it comes to the topic of fact Vs fiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Here is the whataboutry again.

    I'll point out Iraq did not become part of the USA, nor was there any intention of it and the USA have not threatened to nuke other UN members, the US Armed forces did not rape and castrate civilians and POWs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Fair play to Estonia,any country in Europe with any common sense would be smart to follow their lead ,

    This men in Russia are not fleeing war or persecution,they just don't want to go ukraine,

    they support Putins war and will be happy to cheer Ukrainian deaths and massacres ,and then in a few years those same russian men will be demanding closer ties with the motherland in their host country.

    No russians should be welcomed to Europe let alone here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    RT got banned off our Sat, it's harder to access now.


    I don't need to flee to Russia, unlike some of our truth tellers who exposed western hypocrisy, like Edward Snowden who ended up there




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Awwwe people can't access rt ,


    Someone call Joe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Some of the team are working from Latvia now and started producing content on YouTube last month.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Never watched RT but i can imagine it was a lot like Fox or CNN in terms of bias?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Germany saying at least some deserters are welcome, Estonia saying they're not, for example. There are already dozens of posts about this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Housefree


    He nearly ended up in the Guantanamo Bay torture camp of the freedom loving west.

    The burial site was already discussed in depth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,161 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It is the fundamental right of a nation to defend itself if attacked. Ukraine is exercising that right. It's about that simple, really. And this is even truer when the invasion has no real pretext.

    The idea of prolonging the war and creating more suffering is another good one because it ignores the suffering that would ensue were Russia allowed to just overrun Ukraine, given what's been happening in occupied areas with torture, executions and deportations of children. In light of that, it's no wonder that Ukraine is fighting as it is.

    Here's a fact for you: Russia can go home tomorrow and the war ends. Nobody will be chasing them back to Moscow, although stronger border defences will possibly be erected.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Something very interesting is happening here. Kaliningrad is known to have upgraded and increased its nuclear ballistic missile facilities and is now hosting a flight of Mig-31's, among others. The Migs carry the Kinzhal nuclear-tipped hypersonic missile.

    In my opinion, if a tactical nuke was to be deployed by Russia, this is how it would be done. Hence the massively increased surveillance of Kaliningrad currently underway. Please see below:

    This doesn't really make sense. If Russia is to use a tactical nuke against Ukraine why on earth would they want the missile/plane traversing Western countries? While I suspect the response is guaranteed no matter what, this would merely serve to make that even more likely. Not to mention the possibility of it being destroyed over Western territories. It would be launched from Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Thanks, you lot. Looks like they have relocated to Riga and are broadcasting again.

    Ps: I can get RT on my fire stick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,546 ✭✭✭Your Airbag


    I don't think anyone with a shred of credibility considers this war anything else than Russia's fault and its mostly down to one old Russian mans desire to write himself a significant chapter in Russian history before he dies.

    The thing with Peterson is that his fan base is mostly young males who identify with the right much more so then the left. To keep his audience happy he needs to thread a fine line. I have no doubt he finds this war as upsetting as anyone else but in the video clip he didn't denounce Putin instead said we are more like him than we think and it would be foolish to think he will lose. He's just being vague enough to keep his predominately right leaning fanbase happy. Its like when he won't directly answer the question on whether or not he really believes in god, he talks in circles around it rather than give a direct answer, he usually defaults to "that's not a question that can be easily answered" and the importance of religious mythology in the modern world.

    Having said that I still enjoy listening to him speak, I just accept that he won't directly answer some questions with a simple answer as he might lose some followers if he did. Peterson is a guy who's been in many controversial conversations and has been denounced by many but those interviews get huge amounts of clicks. He's always on the verge of being cancelled by the woke far left and he knows it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Another of Putin's ex EU leader buddies defending him:

    He, Schröder und Orban are an absolute disgrace and Italians are a disgrace that this corrupt sleazeball still has many supporters in their country



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