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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Youre being naive in thinking Ukraine has no military alliances with the West. You are aware that Ukraine would not be still in the fight only for the military alliances showed towards Ukraine by all EU and NATO countries through military aid. Even Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Last one's I remember was around the First Gulf war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Very good Twitter thread on mobilization and why it's being done. It's all about being able to rotate their forces on the front line and provide a great defence in depth. It's not about building a brand new army of 300k troops as I said a few pages back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Maybe, possibly, who knows. A tactical nuclear device sets off a domino effect if cool heads don't prevail. You think Putin has a cool head?

    I sure as sh1t don't put myself forward as an expert here as to what's going to happen like some. The fact is nobody knows and anyone attempting to say they do is full of horse manure.

    Like i said 2022's virology experts.



  • Posts: 577 ✭✭✭ Malaysia Lively Certificate


    I hope Ukraine can survive the next wave, 300k of extra troops for Russia is some serious destruction in Ukraine no matter who wins or loses. The west has messed up big time, they should of giving Ukraine alot more military support. With the recession here going into winter, not gonna be as much support from EU. The only big player that could help is the US. Russia on the other hand are not fearing attacks to their country, and are rapidly building their own military equipment. On the other hand Ukraines country is exhausted and battered and is not self sustaining. The longer this war goes on it favours Russia. EU and nato still fear the nuclear bomb threat so wont do anything except empty words.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Any sources for that or have you just produced your own fantasy? Russia with hypersonic missiles, nuclear subs etc can't hit anywhere further than Ukraine?

    Ukraine is not part of NATO. We can't know how they would respond, and any nuclear response would end in mutually assured destruction. No matter what you think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    This would create a blueprint for every other large nuclear power to follow in the event that they feel like expanding their territory:

    1. Funnel weapons and resources to friendly "separatists" in a neighbouring country.
    2. Claim that the government of the neighbouring country is slaughtering those separatists.
    3. Send troops across the border to "stop the genocide".
    4. Hold a referendum in that region for them join your country.
    5. Claim that an attack on that region is now an attack on your country and you have the right to defend yourself with your nuclear weapons.

    This makes a mockery of sovereignty and international borders and has to be nipped in the bud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Reading a bbc "fact check". They really need to do a better job of them.


    They are saying Russia has claimed there were Nato troops fighting in Ukraine, and they were fact checking that. But at the start of the article, they cite Putin: "The Kyiv regime has launched new gangs of foreign mercenaries and nationalists, military units trained to Nato standards and under de-facto command of Western advisors."


    So.....he hasn't actually said "Nato troops". He said "trained to Nato standards". He didn't even say under Nato command, he said "launched by Kyiv" and de-facto command of "Western advisors", who could be anyone, even civilians.


    What type of fact checking is that, not being able to read the initial claim?



    (I'm not disputing Russia lying etc, I'm just annoyed at the lazy journalism)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No he may not get his 30'000 never mind 300'000 boots on the ground in the military, but he could well get many more mothers boots on the ground protesting, the one thing he's afraid of. One massive out if control protest in Moscow and St. Petersburg, would work wonders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣,

    There's not going to be another 300,000 Russian troops in Ukraine.

    They will struggle to raise a fraction of that likely in the low thousands if they don't empty their prisons and nursing homes .

    Who says Ukraine forces are battered and exhausted?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    Putin is clearly unbalanced and not thinking strategically. He thought he’d defeat Ukraine in 3 days and instead of facing up to his colossal screw-up he’s doubling down and ultimately guaranteeing an even greater defeat.

    What surprises me is that the rest of the Russian establishment seems to be willing to go down with him. Can they not see that the emperor has no clothes?



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Excellent summary. What this has shown is Putin is a demagogue flailing wildly for his future not some puppet master playing the world to his tune like many would have us believe. He didn't even know the state of his own military at the outset of the conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    y’all need to chillax there people, they only small nukes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,569 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Agree.


    Putin seems prepared to just keep throwing men in regardless.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,100 ✭✭✭✭briany


    military units trained to Nato standards and under de-facto command of Western advisors."

    @EOQRTL

    A backhanded compliment. Mass mobilisation is called for when Russia senses it is up against half decent soldiers under competent commanders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    On the delivery of a weapon, I think it will actually be aircraft borne.

    Reason? Well, to fire a ballistic missile takes a lot of people. There are lots of people needed to complete lots of steps in order to get a missile out of a silo. Average, 15 to 20 people. The risk of any of these people disobeying their part in the command chain is extremely high.

    For an aircraft, you need 2. That's it.

    Technically, a single-seat Su-27 could do it, but I'd say it would be an SU-35. Small fast, tactically mobile, more accurate, able to change final target at last moment. Easy to deceive by sending more than one aircraft.

    Nap-of-earth flying, pop up, lob maneuver, get out of the blast radius.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Putin really made idiots out of the people who were swallowing his propaganda. Where have all the posters that were bullshiting about the million strong army gone? If he had a million professional soldiers then why would a mobilisation be needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Not the first person iv'e heard put forward this argument the last few weeks. RTE had an expert in Russian affairs on a few weeks back who has more nuanced in his language but pretty much put forward the same scenario.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Nope, all schools along the East Coast got them. I was in school in the 1980's and grew up with nuclear attack drills, constant Cold War threats almost daily, Civil Defence drills in villages and towns and Windscale disaster, Sellafield, Cherynoble, the anti-cruise missile demonstrations in the UK etc. Anyone who's 50 and above will remember it well. " shelter in a door frame or under a stairs etc".

    There was even one company near Clane building fallout bunkers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Unfortunately, Putin is entirely logical in a sociopathic way. For him, losing in Ukraine means the loss of power and probably a degrading untimely death. What does he have to lose by sending 300,000 Russian soldiers to die? So they die, so Russia's economy is in ruins. But he himself is alive and the head honcho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Which is why the world as we know it is still in existence. And that was my question about Nuclear weapons. Thanks Timmyntc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I remember Bill Browder was interviewed at the very beginning of this and he said "Putin always doubles down. It's the only thing he knows how to do.". That tactic served him well in the dog eat dog world of 90s Russian politics and seems to have served him well when fighting the likes of Chechnya, Georgia and Syrian rebels. The problem he has now is that he's facing an opponent where this tactic doesn't appear to be working and he's rapidly running out of cards to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,049 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Some analysts suggest that if Putin did go for the crazed use of a nuclear weapon, instead of attacking the Ukrainian army, he might stage a "spectacular" by dropping a small tactical nuclear weapon on a natural gas plant or electricity station.....along the lines of the IRA's attack on Canary Wharf or Manchester (but on a much bigger scale). It would be a "Don't push me, just look at what I am capable of" effort.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Wow! Could that video be for real?

    Fair play with the lateral thinking of hiding in the fridge, a pity it didn't work for him. I wonder how many try this, given that the Draft Officer thought of looking in there.

    (I do love the "Are you f*cking kidding me?" look on the officer's face at the end)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russians use a personal ID card, which is very much like an internal passport, and anyone showing up as being far from home, better have a cast iron guarantee as to why they are travelling.



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