Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

Igotadose · 17-09-2022 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630691#Comment_119630691

Nice map. Where's Kyiv and Bucha on that map?

Be that as it may, what exactly is your point? And, how does it relate to whether there should be a limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees entering Ireland? Really, if you want to debate how much of Ukraine has been attacked, the Russia thread's much more up to date. This one's about the refugees and what limits should be placed.

Any thoughts there?

TaurenDruid · 17-09-2022 03:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630691#Comment_119630691

You've posted a map containing the Donetsk and Luhansk areas - i.e., the Donbas region that's the main warzone.

Why?

Post a map showing attacks on Chortkiv, Kyiv, Kremenchuk, Vinnytsia, Odesa, Kirovohrad, Chaplyne, etc... that would be honest, rather than the disingenuous "It's only the southeast!" posts you keep coming out with.

Beasty · 17-09-2022 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630705#Comment_119630705

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FintanMcluskey · 17-09-2022 05:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631213#Comment_119631213

Have to agree here.

If you want a job you will get one right now in Ireland.

If you dont have a job it's no-one else's fault

17-09-2022 05:43PM

Whenever the war is over or whenever the directive ends do people really think the government will deport Ukrainians who want to remain in Ireland? Sure x amount will go home but I’m sure lots will want to stay. How will that be addressed? There’s zero chance of them deporting them as you can imagine the media outcry. Doubt it has even been discussed at government level as planning ahead is their number one allergy.

Igotadose · 17-09-2022 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631309#Comment_119631309

What's this got to do with the thread topic? You're doing a lot of guessing in your questions, one can easily state the opposite based on opposite assumptions.

17-09-2022 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631317#Comment_119631317

Well I thought it was a fair question. If we have uncapped numbers for however long this war goes on for how many will end up staying here permanently and what will happen to those who refuse to leave. If you think it’s off topic just report it and let the mod decide. I’ll leave it at that until then.

Beasty · 17-09-2022 05:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631317#Comment_119631317

This thread is about Government policy on refugees so this is a valid point to raise

Boggles · 17-09-2022 06:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631309#Comment_119631309

Technically as it stands they would revert to asylum seekers once the directive ends, AFAIK.

Multipass · 17-09-2022 06:23PM

There are still Ukrainian families living on campus at UCD.

I can’t even begin to express how livid I am. I’m awake at night because of my student’s off campus rent. I know of other students who also failed in the lottery to get on campus, and are commuting from Kildare. And these people who don’t need to be in this location have been placed before our own kids. Joke of a country, just disgusted.

Strumms · 17-09-2022 07:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630962#Comment_119630962

I don’t keep coming out with anything :) I never said “only the southeast”… talk about disingenuous , you are making stuff up to align to your narrative.

the media is full of researched information, stories , photos of people coming here who are not from anywhere near the fighting.

17-09-2022 07:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630260#Comment_119630260

If you think that property will sell for 120k, you're living in Neverland...

But, maybe you think you know more about property prices in Doneg than those of us who have been actively searching for, and bidding on, properties for the last 2 years ..

17-09-2022 07:42PM

I spotted a lovely sporty BMW in a car park earlier in Letterkenny. Then I saw the reg...UKR...I asked my husband how much that particular car would cost.. at least 60k he reckons 🙄

It got me thinking about how UKRs could have thousands in savings, are not being means tested and are handed money like it's going out of fashion.

Then we have pensioners and the average Irish worker (like myself) who have to pound the pavements to protest about worrying how we'll eat and heat this winter.

This fooking debacle needs a complete reassessment as of today, as of 6 months ago.

Can the government not read the room or are they deliberately choosing to ignore the general public opinion on this.

How dare they be so arrogant and ignorant.

17-09-2022 07:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631693#Comment_119631693

Any house I saw at that price point is riddled with Mica. Anyway, I wouldn't even bother to use the energy in my fingers to type out a reply to illogical wind up merchants! Dún na nGall abú!

17-09-2022 07:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631448#Comment_119631448

I am livid for you. It is infuriating. I'm sure you worked and saved your whole life to send your child to college, as most loving parents do. Students and parents need to picket the accommodation. Raise the fooking roof, we need to stop being so passive to this $hit!

billyhead · 17-09-2022 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630234#Comment_119630234

More like we need to do a France and take to the streets in mass protests against this governments failed and poor policies. We are a race of people who just shrug are shoulders at the government and draw a deep breath but do **** all about it.

Subzero3 · 17-09-2022 10:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631309#Comment_119631309

They'll have Ukrianie in the EU via some sort of deal. You can be sure of that. We are stuck with them now.

The only thing we can do to offset the damage is to reduce the incentives for them to be willing to drive from Kiev to Dublin. There no accommodation, our weather is shixe, but NGOs are driving more here in busloads. Thanks paddy.

17-09-2022 10:23PM

It's a 21st century 'Plantation' & nothing else in my humble opinion!

No, I don't want to see scenes that were so graphically displayed from WWII again

but there are more than enough here considering the size of our country & our small population.

It should be limited to what it is now which is too many but no more!

Between Poles & Ukrainians we'll all feel like foreigners in our own country!

Rustyman101 · 17-09-2022 10:25PM

No, there should have been a cap, we are now seen as a soft touch for multiple economic migrants, country is a mess and getting worse.

Housing, healthcare & education broken , solution keep packing them in !

17-09-2022 10:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632337#Comment_119632337

Come to this town...we are in the minority...I'm not exaggerating...I barely hear English being spoken at the school gate. I am friends with an absolute lovely Polish lady and she constantly gives out about their lack of integration...that and the feral gangs that are now appearing here...to make matters worse, they are physically bigger and stronger than a lot of their Irish peers.

*will probably get deleted too!

Jinglejangle69 · 17-09-2022 11:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632367#Comment_119632367

You’re 100% correct.

No matter what people say I guarantee 50% of their kids class in school are now non nationals.

You feel like the outsider in your own country at the school gate.

Beasty · 17-09-2022 11:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631758#Comment_119631758

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632274#Comment_119632274

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632367#Comment_119632367

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630645#Comment_119630645

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Boggles · 18-09-2022 08:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631693#Comment_119631693

Ah no, houses have gone for far cheaper than 120k even in the past couple of weeks.

You check what they sell for on the price property register.

I don't know of any Ukrainian Refugees buying house though, maybe I am wrong.

Subzero3 · 18-09-2022 10:27AM

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There's no poles getting the free for all the Ukrianinans are getting. Poles would of worked and paid taxes since they came here. Paddy didn't provide the poles with anything only an opportunity for cheap labour. If there was no accommodation they stayed with friends untill they got sorted, all while working/looking for work and with NO government support.

The Ukrianinan situation is basically a free for all, and if you can make it to Ireland everything is free.

What a joke of a policy. It needs to stop and the Pro Ukrianinan lobby in the media needs to be called out. boards.ie included.

seenitall · 18-09-2022 11:02AM

Well, a cap on the numbers wouldn’t have been needed had the welcome package not been so ridiculously and out-of-touching-distance-of-any-other-countries’-welcome-policy, generous. You reap what you sow. (Or in this case, the Irish public reaps what its government has sown.)

TaurenDruid · 18-09-2022 11:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631417#Comment_119631417

I don't think they would - they weren't asylum seekers in the first place. I think when the directive is rescinded they'll revert to becoming non-EU national migrants. It's a moot point anyway, as the vast majority want to return home.

TaurenDruid · 18-09-2022 11:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631650#Comment_119631650

A quote of "It’s not fair, because it isn’t true, it’s a gross misrepresentation. Large swathes of the Ukraine haven’t seen a shred of violence" accompanied by a map of the Donbas region shaded red is not you implying only the southeast is a combat zone?

Yes, lots of people have arrived from not from anywhere near "fighting." They're also from areas that have received long-range rocket and missile attacks.

18-09-2022 11:30AM

Seeing as my last post was deleted, I’ll try again.

Yes, the Government has done the right thing. It and the Irish people can hold their heads high thanks to their not turning the other way. Some on this thread will slate the government, no matter what they do. Yet, a look on the many Ukrainian- Irish Facebook pages, schools inviting children to enroll, families offering accommodation, etc., shows many Irish welcoming the refugees still

Well Done to all concerned.

Slava Ukraini.

Subzero3 · 18-09-2022 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119633337#Comment_119633337

How many helper's are involved with NGOs or have Ukrianinan flags on their profile pics. They don't represent the rest of the country.

TaurenDruid · 18-09-2022 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631693#Comment_119631693

Here's the list of properties actually sold in Donegal, since January. There's two sold at €80k, on the first page.

(Edit to add: Yes, mica - (and why has noone done jail time over that!) - but no, not all houses on this list of sold properties have or had mica, many are decades old!)

www.propertypriceregister.ie/website/npsra/PPR/npsra-ppr.nsf/PPR-By-Date&Start=1&Query=%5Bdt_execution_date%5D%3E=01/01/2022%20AND%20%5Bdt_execution_date%5D%3C01/10/2022%20AND%20%5Bdc_county%5D=Donegal&County=Donegal&Year=2022&StartMonth=01&EndMonth=09&Address=

(Doesn't work if I link it because of an SSL cert problem - does work if you copy and paste.)

There is cheap property available. There are additionally 166,000 vacant properties in the state. There are another 66,000 holiday homes in the state. If there was a will from government, there would be no real housing crisis, but hey, 80% of those in the Oireachtas are landlords.

The government is making a hames of the Ukrainian refugee issue, absolutely, but Ukrainian refugees are not to blame for the housing crisis.

Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

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