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Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    The previous thread was closed because of the xenophobia and racism.

    The thread is still there. You can read the xenophobic comments. Classing a whole nation as lazy? Homophobic and racist? "All of them are economic migrants" was repeated on multiple occasions by multiple posters. Yup - xenophobia.

    Why are Ukrainian medics and teachers over here in Ireland , they don't even have qualifications to treat or teach folks here

    Are you being serious? Because their country was invaded and many towns and cities blown to ****.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Of course I'm serious, they should be helping their fellow citizens in the safer parts of Ukraine !

    They should be working for the army, working for their public education sector.

    They aint much use here in terms of what they can do are they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Yup, it would have been laughed at, because there were what, seven Loyalist bombings in total, over nearly 30 years that actually killed people? Your analogy is ****.

    You are right, though, the IRA and NI have no bearing on this discussion. You shouldn't have brought it up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,484 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Correct, worse then ever. What was I doing ? Given I don’t have spare accommodation to do anything with, nada is what I was doing.

    lame whatabouttery doesn’t enhance your erm, ‘argument’.. laughable in fact, jesus. 😬



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    There is plenty of Ukraine untouched by war. Plenty of space for all Ukrainians to return. But why would they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,082 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    And again, empty space doesn't matter; people live in population centers (cities), that's where the jobs are, the utilities are, economic, education opportunities. Everywhere else is under attack or at risk for attack. It's not like you can evenly distribute people over land surface - this isn't Sim City or whatever.


    Same old argument used to say the US isn't overpopulated - give everyone a square yard and you can fit them into an area the size of Texas. Reality simply doesn't work that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    They would if the government said we can't support you with housing, travel, free medical cards and a social welfare package giving you more money then what most of your countrymen earn (For free).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Where are these plentiful population centres in Ireland? Where are we meant to put them? You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

    The UN could easily set up tent cities close to the Polish borders which would take the vast majority of refugees. Russia wouldn’t dare attack them, especially now they’re on the back foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ThoseSpikesAreSore


    There was a lady (Laura Harmon is her name I think he said) talking on the radio rte1 just now saying how much the student accommodation is affected and this year is breaking point.

    She said that international students coming to Ireland is worth 2.2 billion every year and this year is heavily affected because of the accommodation crisis. Some students booked a place and arrived in Ireland to no accommodation as it was taken. I did not hear the start as I was taking stuff out if the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭Sean Quagmire


    @ mods why are you deleting people's comments without explanation? I said nothing that wasn't true. There are festivals and parties going on like normal in most of Ukraine. And I stand by my comment - a refugee in this country should not be driving a 2022 Tesla.

    Boards.ie controlling the narrative as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    All of Ukraine has been touched by war. There are already 7,000,000+ Ukrainians displaced around their own country. They'd would want to return because it's their country, where they're from, where their friends and families live. Obviously.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Why the **** shouldn't a refugee be driving a 2022 Tesla?! Do you think the Russian commanders sit around studying Google maps satellite images? "No, Ivan, don't attack that town - there's a Tesla in that driveway, and there's a new BMW 4x4! Look, send the rockets to this town, there's nothing newer I can see than a 2019 Skoda!" Absolutely idiotic comment.

    Goes back to what was in a lot of posts in the last thread - jealousy. Jealousy of refugees, ffs!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    So you'll complain about student accommodation now, and who was it, subzero3, complaining about homelessness, who also had done absolutely nothing about it before? Oh... they paid their taxes.

    But you've never actually done anything about either problem before. And won't again, once the Ukrainian crisis is over.

    Laughable, all right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,082 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No, you're the one saying "Most of Ukraine is empty." This is a fatuous analysis - you want them to move back there, they want to move back to where they originated from - population centres, as has been repeatedly mentioned on this thread, these are the places Russia is attacking.

    The UN building tent cities (in Poland, in time for winter, nice) might be an option. I'd contact the special rep to the UN about that. In the meanwhile, this is about what the Irish Government should do about limiting the number of Ukrainian refugees entering Ireland. So, what's your upper limit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That's what you get with vulture funds and alike artificially driving up property prices There must be a reason there empty as renting them out would make cash. Are we counting loads of apartments built in the boom that are unlivable. 27k not sold as people died.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There needs to be a a full scale review done of our resources available to cope with refugees before any limit is decided upon. A key part of that study needs to be built around how we have a housing crisis at the moment and also the cost of living crisis which is biting hard.

    I have no doubt that our issues are fixable if the hunger was there in govt. to do so. After all we could find 350 quid a week for hundreds of thousands at the drop of a hat. We certainly shouldn't try and scapegoat people seeking shelter from Putin either. But saying that we should be looking after our own before deciding to take an unlimited amount of asylum seekers is a legitimate opinion.

    Anyone know how many government td's have taken in a Ukranian refugee for the 400 quid a month? Answer on the back of a stamp please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    We are building tent cities here in Ireland too - we do not have the resources to house all these people so many will have to stay in tents or sports halls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    No one is scapegoating anyone. There is a reason we have more than the EU fair share one very simple reason and it's nothing to do with the war. If it was just the war we would have had numbers arriving at the start like we have now. But we did not. Some just Don't want to admit that. If we actually treated people like EU citizens we would deport after 3 months IIRC for not finding work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Crazy stuff. There is a massive Pro Ukrianinan lobby going on in all the Irish media at present.

    Roll on monday and we see what RTE have with a documentary about Ukrianinans, we know it will be a PR stunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    The article gives a breakdown on the types of dwelling.

    There will absolutely be - for want of a better term - "genuine" reasons why a property is vacant; e.g., a farmhouse on an unviable farm where the owner died, nobody wanted the property, it's become derelict and would cost a whack to bring back to liveable condition.

    But there's also the likes of this:

    And if you follow the #DerelictIreland hashtag on twitter you'll see dozens of examples up and down the country, mostly in cities, many in towns, many of which could be made liveable in very short order.

    None of which include the 66,000 holiday homes that we also have in the country.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    RE wealthy Ukrianinans driving a Tesla.

    If you can afford a Tesla then sell it and buy an apartment in Poland, Lithuania, Moldova ect. But no I'll drive it here and Paddy can sort out the rest for me.

    Win win. 👋👋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Lol, what? 😏

    I know plenty of people driving nice cars. Most of them don't actually own the cars, though. So they certainly couldn't sell them.

    Why the **** would you buy an apartment in a foreign country for a temporary and indefinite period of time, that could be months, or could be a few years?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Less of the language please.

    So they just randomly drive cars that are not theirs. Cool story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Aaaannd... we're back, with the "they're all economic migrants" schtick. Really didn't take long, did it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Eh... yeah. They just randomly drive cars that are not theirs. Absolutely. 🙄

    (In the real world, many people driving expensive cars are paying for them via a loan, hire purchase, or PCP. They can't sell them. They've no right to. It would be illegal to try.

    Seriously, don't just see a post from a me or igotadose or boggles and jump in to refute instantly. Try thinking first. You're just making yourself look... well. Yeah. And I'll use whatever language I want, if you don't like it, turn on your filter.)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    Getting a loan to by a 50k plus car, thats about 4 years salary in Ukrianie. Sure bro.

    Good chance they don't need our generous welfare. But here they are filling up accommodation that is badly needed.

    Why travel all the way across Europe when they can buy acommadation closer to home.



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