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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The WHO are at it again FFS. They think that because there’s a significant drop in worldwide cases that we can now seize the opportunity to end the pandemic. What? Another 2 weeks and we can flatten the curve? Omicron CAN NOT be eradicated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    At least they are now finally talking about the end of the pandemic so maybe you should let it go too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    They are talking about the end of the pandemic ONLY IF governments seize the moment and take urgent actions right now to prevent further mutations etc . A bit of a difference how the WHO would like to see how the pandemic ends. Their end i suspect is a bit different than your end.

    I see that one of the WHO’s aims is a 100% vaccination rate. Now while they are very effective preventing serious illness in the older and more vulnerable i’m not sure how they are supposed to stop future variants or mutations because as we all know it still spreads like wildfire in a vaccinated population. They should know that. I guess they must stay relevant somehow.

    Post edited by Micky 32 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nah, it's the first time they've finally admitted the end is in sight, and it is about that 2.5 years pandemics can take to disappear. Been over here for 6 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    The WHO haven't covered themselves in glory throughout this pandemic, that's for sure. It was all downhill when they rowed in behind China's lockdown approach for the rest of the world. We're already seeing the fallout from that now, and will do for generations to come.

    Also don't see how they'll get to their magical 100% vaccination rate when countries like Denmark and UK are no longer offering the vaccines to younger cohorts (which is the completely correct decision based on risk/benefits).



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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you look at the global economy and Ireland's financial situation in late 2019 and right now, you would have to conclude that lockdowns were utter madness that can never occur again.


    I'll never forget the likes of Leo and Martin telling us we'll have some short term inflation when everything opens again.. haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There is a war between two key energy, mining and food producing countries.

    Disingenuous that you talk about inflation and haven't mentioned that.

    Ireland isn't in lockdown. You'll have to ask the Chinese why they still need to lockdown their cities.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone




  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah... "Da war"...

    We borrowed 30 billion before the war.

    Inflation was already high in late 2021 before the war even started.

    Leo and Martin told us we'd have a small period of inflation and bounce back in 2022... It's worse than ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    Remember lockdown fanatics posting here in 2020 that international travel was pretty much permanently over as the general public would never be comfortable In spaces like airplanes again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Is masks gone now permanently in general settings?

    I see NY is scrapped them on the busses


    Healthcare I guess will keep them and try to kick up about ICU in winter but will anything happen ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Worse than ever. Because of the war.

    Or are you going to keep pretending the war has nothing to do with inflation in energy and transport and food costs?

    Can you explain how past covid lockdowns in Europe caused recent increases in energy costs? Im going to predict you arent even going to try.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The war doesn't help but it's absolutely not the cause. Inflation started trending upwards at an alarming rate even in mid 2021.

    The war in Ukraine wasn't happening at the time.


    What was happening is countries were reopening after long periods of lockdowns and utter lunacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Right. So the war isn't the cause of recent inflation in energy, fuel, transport, food, fertilizer? And yet in your initial posts you tried to lump them all in with caused by covid until challenged?

    Inflation in what sectors started trending upwards? And in what sectors is it surging now?

    Your economics are as all over the place as your science, and are utterly self serving and disingenuous.

    In my previous post I said:

    Can you explain how past covid lockdowns in Europe caused recent increases in energy costs? Im going to predict you arent even going to try.

    And I was right.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    The war has nothing to do with inflation, however the sanctions against russia, with the illusion that they would collapse their economy, are again part of a series of poorly made decision that brought the eu on the verge of default.

    That coupled with 2+ years of constantly depleting the workforce, the economy and the existing resources in order to lockdown, test, sanitize and vaccinate anything and everything that moves so that we could "flatten the curve".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    You have got to be the most condescending poster I’ve ever seen on Boards. Accusing people of only listening to people they agree with and then telling us you do the exact same thing yourself!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The war has nothing to do with inflation? Your words don't connect with reality either on covid or the war in any way.

    If you want post nonsense about the war, post this guff on the Russia or Ukraine threads -> and I and many others will easily eviscerate it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Calm down? I don’t need to calm down at all Lol. Look up sarcasm in the dictionary you might learn something.

    BTW i don’t give a monkeys about studies anymore because as far as I’m concerned covid is over. It’s hard to know what studies are not misinformation these days because there’s so much bollox out there. So you and your friends on here can post all you want about any study you want because i don’t really care. 😆😉



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Inflation in Ireland was already increasing and further increases forecast before Russia even set foot in Ukraine...

    I mean come on! You can google this stuff.


    Maybe you'd like to tell us how no war before Feb 2022 in Ukraine was causing inflation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What was inflation before the war, and what was inflation after the war started?

    Third time of asking and third time you'll run away:

    Can you explain how past covid lockdowns in Europe caused recent increases in energy costs? Im going to predict you arent even going to try.

    You made an utterly disingenous attempt at posting about inflation, trying to cast all inflation as due to covid.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone



    What a powerful speach, isn't it a wonder you don't go for parliament. Bah humbug :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    They are scrapped on planes to and from the USA too. Just flew back from California on Aer Lingus and masks weren’t needed.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You just refuse to get it. Lockdown caused entire industries such as travel and hospitality to grind to a halt. This caused a huge decrease in demand for energy.

    As society reopened there was a huge demand when freedoms were returned. Increasing demand led to price increases.

    All of this was happening long before Russia set foot in Ukraine and indeed inflation was predicted and further forecast before the war.


    The war just poured more fuel on an already burning fire.

    Answered.


    Now you can tell us how no war was causing inflation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The energy crisis began a year ago.

    Supplies were tight after the so called lockdowns. Then when everywhere opened up supply was tight causing higher costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    This is complete nonsense and you know it. If you are not mentioning the impact of the war you are not interested in the truth.

    You realise that people were travelling in 2021? Or is that something else you've conveniently forgotten.

    People were still heating their homes. Factories were still running.

    So why did the surge only kick in coincidentally with Russia invading Ukraine?

    Find us an economist who ties the food, fuel and gas prices of late to covid lockdowns and not the war in Ukraine or realise you've been caught out in your utterly disingenuous attempt to tie all inflation to covid lockdowns - until you were challenged...

    The war in Ukraine will result in expensive food and energy for the next three years, the World Bank has warned... European gas prices are expected to be twice as high in 2022 as they were in 2021, while coal prices are expected to be 80% higher. The Bank expects wheat prices to increase more than 40% this year.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,874 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Not sure if anyone mentioned Sam McConkey on Morning Ireland this morning.

    The interview had a feeling of 'well the pandemic is over, isn't it' and to be fair to Sam he didn't argue much to the contrary.

    I think it's safe to say it is now over. My workplace has packed lifts again, and we are all allowed to sit as many as we want to a table in the canteen. Great to be back to normal again.

    Probably no need to be seeing Sam and the likes of Luke O'Neill again , but I think the latter got addicted to publicity in the end, so may shoehorn his way in somehow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    No one is denying the war has had an impact on energy. It was still rising by March and would have kept rising but the war did make it worse. The problem is you won’t acknowledge or want to know that the coronavirus and lockdowns had also caused an energy crisis. It doesn’t suit your narrative. I guess when you’re a die hard lockdown advocate denial tends to set in. You clearly don’t want to know about any inflation pre war. Why is that?

    Before the war diesel had already jumped approx 30-40 cent a litre.

    It seems to have dropped significantly in September going by your graph despite the war still going on.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its an undeniable fact that there was already an energy crisis and inflation before the war even started. Are you denying that?

    It was because of our lockdown policies. The war just poured more fuel on the fire.


    If anything, this war should teach us not to be so irresponsible ever again.

    We essentially maxed out our credit card assuming we'd paid it back soon but then the roof caved in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yep they were. Talking about recent inflation and not mentioning the war until challenged is implicitly doing this.

    "Die hard lockdown advocate" I dunno what strawman you're talking to there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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