Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Kate has obviously had some work done, she looks younger now than in the 2015-2017 pictures in that article.

No, it is not her right to refuse.....

The RF was built on and has survived on rules and traditions. You may not agree with them, but it's their family, not yours.

As a free woman, she can refuse, and then she will face the consequences. She thought she'd become a RF member, but without the need to conform. Arrogant and brazen behaviour, that has led to all this back and forth with her and the hubby.

I said it from the start: she was just not cut out for that life, and rather than go gracefully, she couldn't!

The only reason that they appear to be kept at arms length is because she's wired up for her documentary to record everything, including private family stuff.

Huh?

I take it there is tangible evidence she is wearing a wire?

Her faux shocked expression at the racism allegations belies that bullshıt. Is Oprah trying to distance herself before the memoir is published?

There were rumours that they were wearing microphones during the julibee.

Oprah was an absolute disgrace during that staged and choreographed attack. She was worse than H&M in how she just facilitated it. She’ll never live it down.

You never heard of stereo??

And it just so happens, the best distance between two stereo mics, is the exact same distance of that between a woman's..................🥺

Ears....FFS.... Obviously its EARS.....(binaural recording)...

....of course 😇😁

You'd think they'd have access to more sophisticated recording technology than something out of the 70s...

yes, it is her right to refuse.

the royal family was also built on slavery, pilligery, slaughter and colonisation.

a small amount yes.

mostly though it's the fact she mentioned she experienced racism from a member of the RF in the first place, the fauners both here and in the UK are unable to deal with that.

Hmm. She mustn’t have known about all that other “stuff,” so.

yes, as I already said: As a free human being she has a right to refuse. As a working/serving member of RF, she has no rights to refuse. She can, but then she will face the consequences.

decent impartial and unbiased people are not ready to automatically believe serious allegations

You mean that someone in the Royal Family may be a bit racist? yeah that's way too far fetched.

Paying off a rape victim, sure yeah that's a given, but being racist absolutely not. No way.

😂

You don't have to automatically believe anything, the rape victims silence was bought in February by the way.

Your assertion that no decent people could believe the claim is farcical given they have done far worse more even more recently.

Also it was Harry who claimed it not his wife.

Maybe best to get a rudimentary understanding of the claim before you dismiss it outright.

Anyway the claim is that there was direct conversations about how dark the child would be, given the institution we are dealing with, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind those conversations could have took place. It's hardly a mental allegation.

Ok, so someone had a conversation on how the baby’s skin color would look.

And? Was this worthy of labeling the RF racist on a public talk show? Throwing a racist claim out over a conversation that could well have been nothing but genuine and innocent observing?

Can you not see why people are not ready to take this as meaning someone in RF was a racist here? Being labeled a racist is a very serious label.

Let’s assume this conversation happened. Does it automatically mean it was with racist intentions by a a genuine racist?

She and Harry claimed it. They are a unit here. She was part of the claim as well.

They both clearly implied that the conversation and person involved was/were racist.

Can I ask. If she and Harry named them, does this mean people then must believe?

Lol.

Calm down. You are having an absolute mare, you went from claiming no decent person would believe it happened, to accepting it may have happened, but it was not racist, but innocent observation. 😂

I get it, you are a monarchist and when people say negative factual things about the Royal Family it upsets you, it upsets you even more when members of the family say them. That's fair enough.

But please don't pontificate that people only have opinions out of unfounded or unfair distain.

This family paid off an underage rape victim less than 7 months ago. But but but the Queen cut ribbons for 7 decades.

But you don't have to take my word for it, when a senior member of that family is calling them horrific it's probably wise to put the flag down and reflect a little before calling other people out for "ignorant logic".

Anyway I imagine by the time Charlie has finished his petulant tour, chastising aids and fighting with stationary mainly and the dust settles, support for your beloved institution will nose dive to the point not even the Daily Mail will care.

Just a thought. 👍️

Well he didn't lick it off a stone did he? 😂

They claimed a racist remark was made by a Royal. Their story about that remark, in a pre-recorded and edited interview, differed which to anyone being rational was a red flag straight off. Recollections did indeed vary. They magnanimously said they wouldn't name the person. Then the inevitable speculation was that this must surely have been Prince Phillip who was notorious for his racial gaffes through the years i.e. do you guys still chuck spears at each other, the guy who was on his death bed when it aired. Uh oh! PR problem. The bombshell was neutered and then what happened? Oprah told Gayle King who told us that Harry told Oprah that it wasn't him or the Queen which quelled those suspicions which then naturally (and deliberately) fell on the other senior royals. Yet Oprah now says she doesn't interfere in private family business. It's telling that they could say who it wasn't but not who it actually was and thus leave room for speculation.

Looking at it objectively then this was a divorced biracial American celebrity who married into the whiter than white British royal family. Despite what some might think this was celebrated as progressive. She was afforded advisors, PR, staff. In general most, including me, hoped she'd be successful at it. Given patrons, titles, property. She was one of the most famous women in the world and, of course, this attracted incredible media attention. Given the option to keep acting if she wanted to. If they are being racist then they are admittedly being pretty shite at it. Unfortunately the same rules of protocol applied to Meghan just as it did to literally everyone else in that unique family. Even when they wanted out they were allowed out albeit with restrictions as to what the "out" related to in their request for half in/half out e.g. we'd prefer if you weren't brand ambassadors using your HRH titles thanks very much.

Even despite this reported racism and neglect Meghan still wanted to be linked. Odd. They even got money to get settled overseas and, with a year to review their options, they were open to coming back full time if they so wished. I think they wanted out and were aghast at what being out actually meant i.e. curtailing security, removing expenses etc.

In the end I guess being sixth on the call sheet simply wasn't enough. It wasn't acceptable that those PR staff, the advisors and men in grey suits were not in situ with the express purpose of aggrandizing Meghan and Harry and their brand rather than the monarch. They believed their own hype and as someone brilliantly pointed out earlier they became the Brian McFadden of the Royal family i.e. an initial surge and honeymoon period going solo but without the longevity or likeability to sustain themselves. I can imagine the execs at Netflix watching the pomp and ceremony of recent days as well as the Jubilee in June and thinking this was what they were supposedly getting exclusive access and rights to but they invested in a pair of lemons.

No he didn't mention anything how freckly the child would be, just that there were conversations about how dark the child would be.