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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sky news didn't,the so called expert made the claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    They ran numerous reports on the story which just backs up my point that they hop in any sensationalist rumour for a few clicks.


    The station is also notorious for spreading misinformation on topics like climate change.

    Of course it's not RT, but it's pretty trashy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I find Deborah Haines reporting excellent, shes not afraid to go away from the safety of the big cities to go out in the countryside for stories on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    In fairness what did you expect her to say "sorry Sergei but I think you're fcuked"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    If true (could be UAF psychological OP)

    It's a big deal.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Time to blow the bridge. Cover the coast with land to sea missiles.

    Let them surrender or swim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    They reported it so they own the claim.

    That's the problem with actual journalism these days, nobody willing to put in the ground work to back facts up. Sky aren't the worst they aren't even close but on this particular occasion it just seems like printing/showing a story for the heck of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Economics101


    No, let them go, and hen blow the bridge to make sure they don't come back!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    Exactly. They ran numerous reports on the "story". Defending them on the basis they didn't make the claim themselves is pretty feeble. It was sensational, so they ran with it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    You would have to wonder how the average punter still living in the Ukrainian territories that Russia has held since 2014 would feel about Ukraine retaking control of this territory (if that does in fact come to pass). I think quite a lot of the pro-Ukrainians who had lived there found their way to Ukrainian controlled territory and the people who have continued to live there since 2014 have been supporters of Russia, for the most part.

    What I am getting at is: unlike everywhere else I suspect that the Ukrainians might not have much support from the local population in Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea oblasts. Would it be possible that they could face their own insurgencies in cities like Donetsk, Luhansk and Sevastopol, much like the Russians have in places like Kherson and Melitopol?

    Should the Ukrainian government treat those three oblasts any differently in a future Ukraine?

    Should they instead, take a hardline stance and give people the choice to live under their rule or go and live in Russia (If the Russians will actually take them)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I think it's a point where compromising with ethnic Russians is pointless, they only seem to take it as weakness. Just look at the amount of Russians in Europe quite happy to reap the benefits of the West while supporting Russias imperial ambitions. Strong and clear action needed to make them wind their necks in.

    If the Russians in those regions aspire to the Russian way of life, they know where the border is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wasn't sensational there has been discussions on putins health going back to the last invasion of Ukraine.

    While he might not have a particular cancer,he does have some kind of either physical condition or neurological condition as seen in the last few videos of him slumped in his seat or his legs shaking uncontrollably



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Some of the links shared here have been pure comedy claiming to be reliable sources to back up claims made by some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Yet you will still get posters trying to convince us that Ukraine and NATO are the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Given what Russia has inflicted on them in the last six months, do you think the majority still feel the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Absolutely, the only long term fix is to get most or all Russian sympathisers out, like India and the formation of Pakistan. Same for any Russian sympathisers living here, like that famous 4wd with the flags and that little convoy here; It would be my preference they leave and F of back whence they came, and take their sodding embassy spy hub with them.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Or maybe....*juuuyst maybe*, that living under the gentle care of the Russian Federation Donetsk "People's Republic" will make many there review their earlier objections to being ruled by Kyiv. A western-backed democratic nation who don't see the local men as a Cannon-Fodder Pick n' Mix might not do too badly here compared to the current shower running the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I don't know. Russia has certainly screwed over the LNR & DNR by forcing conscription on every able-bodied man and sending them to the front-lines of the hottest battles with ancient equipment and gear. Given the amount of propaganda they are subjected to though they might think that they're still better off than in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Ah telpis, that poor lad looks like he swam the wrong way up his fathers urethra and still won the race. A w@nk sock in human form.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,683 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Pick-n-Mix 🤣 I didn't believe it was the natives stirring up the problems with Kiev in the first place; just Putinboys and 'little green men.' I imagine the folks that want to get on with their normal lives would be well rid of the Orcs and their lackeys. Whether they can remains to be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71



    No, ethnic cleansing is not a long term fix. Its a crime. It is a crime Russia is guilty of and the solution to a problem is never to be as bad as the lowest common denominator.

    A peaceful Ukraine must reach consensus with its Russian population, afterall one of those Russians is a guy called Zelinsky.

    They must do it, as France reached accomodation with its German population, a problem that tore Europe appart for 2 millenium. As France accomodated its Italian population, as Italy accomodated its Austrian amd Sloven populations, as Slovakia accomodated its Hungarians, Spain its Basques.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,049 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Being separatists and wanting to join a larger fascist state was always going to end badly. They are too stupid to realise that said fascists are just using them for their own ends and couldn't give a toss about them in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Russian PMC's gained a village south of Bakhmut apparently.

    It's a weird dynamic at the moment. Instead of trying to hold what they have already won in costly battles, they are trying to win new territory in brand new and costly battles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Zelensky is not a Russian, he's a Ukrainian patriot who speaks Russian. As an Australian, I speak English but would rather you not call me English.

    I disagree with you, about getting all those Identifying as Russian out of Ukraine. I think people with your Mary Poppins like attitude to this issue lack imagination. We talk about water under a bridge, but when it's a river of blood filled with the dead bodies of women and children, grandarents - uh, uh - that's a bridge to far.

    Can you imagine a future where a Ukrainian veteran finds out their new neighbour is spouting off about about how Ukrainians as an ethnicity have no right to exist and that Russia and Russians are far superior and should have won the war, etc, etc.

    There is no going back from this one and forgivness might as well be a word in Klingon. The Chinese recently arrested and jailed a Chinese woman for wearing a Kimono in public.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Chinese recently arrested and jailed a Chinese woman for wearing a Kimono in public.

    Is that supposed to be an example to follow or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    New Reuters report

    An ammonia gas deal which the United Nations is pushing Russia and Ukraine to agree could ultimately stabilise a landmark grain deal, a Western diplomat briefed on the matter told Reuters.

    Under the proposed ammonia deal, ammonia gas owned by Russian fertiliser producer Uralchem would be brought via pipeline to the Russia-Ukraine border. There it would be purchased by US-headquartered commodities trader Trammo, the diplomat said.

    Trammo would then own the ammonia as it travels across Ukraine, paying Ukraine pumping fees and transit fees, and sell it onto world markets from Ukraine’s Black Sea, according to the proposal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,016 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No, it's meant to be an example of the actual half-life of war/attrocity inspired anger in real life.

    I could tell you a story about a teacher I had who was one of the small handfull of allied prisoners of war to have been found alive in Changi prison at the end of WW2, but you wouldn't like it one little bit.



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