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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Sorry you're going to have to explain how it's fanatical to point out the only study you've provided to support a link between vaccines and a decrease in fertility directly states that there isn't a link.


    Seems more like you're going off on this rant to deflect away from this point

    Frankly to me it looks like you're upset because again you've caught yourself out because you posted something without reading past the headline.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Nobody is claiming that the vaccines are 100% perfect at doing their job, except for anti vaxxers like yourself who keep claiming that is what the non anti vaxxers have claimed.


    The non anti vaxxers just understand that whilst there are some issues with vaccines, there are far bigger issues with covid so it is far better for all if people get vaccinated. Nobody is fanatical about getting vaccines though, we're just here to counter people like yourself spreading lies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭snowcat


    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(22)00125-X/fulltext

    Symptoms related to menstruation or vaginal bleeding after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine are being reported to v-safe in response to open-ended prompts about new symptoms after vaccination. Commonly reported symptoms were related to cycle timing, severity of menstrual symptoms, and postmenopausal bleeding. Vaccine safety monitoring through systems like v-safe and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System can help to identify and characterise symptoms reported after vaccination; however, questions remain about the prevalence of these symptoms after vaccination and how they compare with baseline rates, what physiological changes post-vaccination might underlie potential menstrual cycle disruption, and what the clinical significance is of post-vaccination menstrual irregularities and vaginal bleeding. Ongoing studies,11 including prospective cohort studies that can solicit and describe menstrual symptoms after vaccination, long-term follow-up studies that can characterise the clinical implications of these symptoms, and physiological studies that can explore potential mechanisms underlying menstrual symptoms, can better explore these questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But according to the previous study you posted there was no link between the potential changes of menstrual cycles and a decrease in fertility.

    Let's finish discussing that study before you try to deflect to a new study.


    Why did you post the previous study when it directly refuted your claim?

    Or could you explain how pointing this out to you is "fanatical"?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,253 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    no but stress does. and so does weight loss.... and excess exercise

    hell, even living with other females effects your menstrual cycle.

    i wonder if any of these things changed for women during a world wide pandemic ??? hummmm......

    and if they did, could that be the reason for effected menstrual cycles???



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,610 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    There was supposed to be 3 billion dead by now this is bullshit



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Its affect, and the studies have confirmed its the vaccine not other females weight loss or the world cup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Agree with you. A pittance died from Covid. Some died from the vax and we have excess deaths going through the roof.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,510 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yet again you show zero concern for people who died of covid, by dismissing the millions as a 'pittance'.

    'some died'? Now you are being deliberately deceptive. Is a pittance more or less than some?

    In India, the true death toll may not be known:

    Excess deaths when adjusted for demographic changes and local factors such as heatwaves have increased in Q2 but don't show general signs of being 'through the roof'. Regardless, they are dwarfed by the covid death toll.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What did Sweden do? Achieved one of the lowest excess death rates per capita in Europe during the pandemic despite having one of the oldest populations.

    As for the conspiracy theory, all vaccines, indeed all medicine has side effects.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,510 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not in comparison to their Scandinavian neighbours, which is a more fair and accurate comparison to make than comparing Sweden, with one of the lowest population densities in Europe, to France or Belgium say.

    The Swedish people did make a huge voluntary shift in behaviour in 2020 but suffered higher excess deaths than their peers.

    And in 2021 Sweden rolled out vaccines and are now at 75% fully vaccinated.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This old chestnut. Sweden is 75% urban and most of the population live in cities in the south. They also packed their nursing homes with covid patients initially.

    The reality is that lockdown and the other measures really weren't very effective anywhere. Only completely keeping out COVID, as a few countries managed, vaccines, building natural immunity and then the lower lethality of omicron were the only things that reduced fatalities. Ireland looks good compared to the UK because we have fewer older people per capita.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,510 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is a low population density country, with a very high number of single person households.

    Look at the density of the countries it borders, and the measures they took.

    Sweden was buttressed by its neighbours, and still did worse than them.

    Its approach simply doesn't scale to other countries or region wide.

    But in the context of this thread, the main thing is that Sweden followed similar approach to its peers on vaccines.

    Were they right about Sputnik and Sinovac? Neither was authorised in EU \ Sweden, and I haven't heard any serious questioning of that decision versus the vaccines that were authorized showing they had less side effects or were more effective. And in the case of Sputnik, that the vaccine was consistently and correctly produced.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sweden is one of the most urban countries in Europe. Here are the top countries (the first few are Gibraltar and the Holy See and are N/A).

    Anyway I don't think Sputnik is any safer and Sinovac was pretty ineffective as a vaccine anywhere outside China where it was used, such as Peru, which had some of the world's highest death rates, so dangerous from that perspective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Plenty Facebook pages highlighting the vax side effects being shut down. You don’t even need a Facebook page as I know plenty already with strokes and heart attacks and leaking gall bladders and cancer and a few dead all healthy people until they took the jabs. As usual doctors are baffled at their symptoms. If only we could get a test to prove what the cause is 🙄



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    How come it's only anti vaccers who haven't taken the vaccines themselves, but who seem to have an unusual ratio of "friends" who did take the vaccines and died or had other unusual symptoms from the vaccines way above any rate seen elsewhere.


    How's this for a conspiracy? It's the anti vaccers who are causing people to die from people knowing them.

    We can come up with a logical reason for the why and how these anti vaccers are going about their conspiracy if needed, and it's certain to make more sense than anything else suggested so far for covid related conspiracies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And the only study you posted that suggests that the vaccines might be causing this directly states that it's extremely unlikely that this results in an effect on fertility and that such concerns are refuted.


    Why do you keep ignoring this fact? Do you think that if you keep pretending it doesn't exist other people won't notice it?

    You've avoided every point and question on this fact.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    OK.

    What evidence do you have that vaccines are causing heart attacks, leaking gall bladders and cancer.

    Please post the study you're using to make this claim.


    Or are you just going off your personal experience and what you've seen on Facebook?

    If that's the case then we can conclude that the vaccines are safe as I don't know anyone who has had any serious side effects and certainly not any of the ones you're claiming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Upwards of 6 million people died due to covid.


    How many have died from the vaccine. If it's less that 6 million your point is massively hypocritical. If it's more than 6 million then you argument is on the level of flat eartherism and moon landing denial as its not possible to hide a figure like that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭snowcat


    It will be in interesting when the long term studies come out on the mRNA vaxxes. It is acknowledged now that they affect menstrual cyles and possibly sperm count. As most studies conclude..further long term data is required. Hopefully there is no long term issues with fertility as we have injected millions of people with these experimental vaccines.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,253 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    "Hopefullys" and "possiblys"

    The lexicon of the anti vaxers



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭snowcat


    At least people are beginning to admit there may be side effects to these experimental vaccines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But again, according to the study you posted, even if the vaccines affected menstrual cycles its "extremely unlikely" that this means it effects fertility.

    Your study said that such concerns were refuted.

    You keep ignoring this. You keep pretending this isn't what your study said.

    And all cause you posted it without reading it.


    You're now adding the claim that it's effecting sperm count with nothing to support that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    No one argued that there weren't or couldn't be side effects.


    You as always are misrepresenting people positions because you can't actually deal with them directly and honestly.

    You ignore things and then make up arguments that no one made.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Who said that there were not side effects?


    Various things were listed as side effects before the main vaccine roll out. Further ones were added within days of the vaccination starting, mostly down to severely allergic nurses thinking that it was a good idea to take the vaccines that said not to for their condition... Then we all had to sit around for 15 minutes after getting the jab. Then more side effects were added as they became apparent.


    Any evidence to support the side effects which you are claiming?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    I believe it's the argument from his imaginary "extreme vaccinationists".


    You know the people who do the unforgivable crime of attributing arguments and positions to people who don't hold them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    For the umpteenth time, no one said there were no potential side effects. ZERO PEOPLE! So stop pushing that lie. We aren’t your common conspiracy theorist that will believe they shite.

    You can easily disprove yourself by getting yourself to a vaccination centre and read the literature you are given. You don’t even have to get the vaccination. However, you won’t do that because it means leaving your parents box room, reading more than a headline on social media, and proving yourself wrong.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Yet another finding of negative effectiveness as a vaccine side effect:

    This is alarming stuff.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2209371



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  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Couple of things - India's official COVID death toll per capita was actually very low compared to western countries. It's only the enormous size of the population that led to the huge numbers. Secondly the lockdowns caused millions of deaths in India too. This is a country where diarrhoea due to dirty drinking water causes 100k children to die each year. No headlines about that though. COVID is largely a disease of the wealthy, who live long enough to be vulnerable to it.

    So I wouldn't take excess deaths as being a reliable indicator in India.



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