Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

snowcat · 04-09-2022 07:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567835#Comment_119567835

Its not rocket science that a drug that effects menstrual cycle and causes excess bleeding and irregural periods even temporary is going to affect fertility. And no i'm not going to give you proof. There is lots of rersearch out there confirming this. The effect on men or children we dont know yet.

Hopefully in further vaccine trials they will study this issue as they omitted to do so in the mRNA trials.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220718/Study-suggests-COVID-19-vaccination-may-be-associated-with-short-term-changes-in-usual-menstrual-cycle-length.aspx

https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijgo.14356

04-09-2022 07:48AM

I am sure now with approaching 2 years of data the long term safety effects are coming to light? Surely?

snowcat · 04-09-2022 07:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568048#Comment_119568048

We are finding out more day by day. There is a reason why normal vaccine trials take many years to complete.

04-09-2022 08:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568028#Comment_119568028

Cool. So you can't show the evidence you're claiming to have that shows a link between the vaccine and lower fertility.

No such evidence exists.

The last paper you posted directly stated that such a link was refuted. Why did you post that study when you disagreed with it? Did you post it without reading it?

Concerns were raised about the possible influence of the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine on women's fertility. These concerns were refuted with the publication of a number of articles as well as an official statement from The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine stating clearly that the vaccine has no negative effect on female fertility.28, 29 Therefore, even if the vaccine is associated with temporary menstrual changes, it is extremely unlikely that this has any effect on current or future fertility. This is further supported by the current study finding that among those who experienced irregular bleeding following vaccination, the occurrence of any abnormal symptom was mostly transient and resolved during the study period.

Do you agree with this statement? Did you know it existed before I quoted it to you?

04-09-2022 08:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568057#Comment_119568057

What long term safety effects have we found out day by day?

Fighting Tao · 04-09-2022 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568057#Comment_119568057

Well that’s a statement you really should back up, or admit to nonsense. Show what is being discovered daily.

snowcat · 04-09-2022 08:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568107#Comment_119568107

Ok. So you are trying for a baby and you take a drug that effects your menstrual cycle and you have heavier bleeding. You think that will not effect your chances of conceiving? Again a small bit of common sense would be good as opposed to blanket refuting.

04-09-2022 08:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568125#Comment_119568125

No, I would not think that this would effect the chances of conceiving as according to the source you've repeatedly posted as if it supported your claims:

Concerns were raised about the possible influence of the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine on women's fertility. These concerns were refuted with the publication of a number of articles as well as an official statement from The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine stating clearly that the vaccine has no negative effect on female fertility.28, 29 Therefore, even if the vaccine is associated with temporary menstrual changes, it is extremely unlikely that this has any effect on current or future fertility. This is further supported by the current study finding that among those who experienced irregular bleeding following vaccination, the occurrence of any abnormal symptom was mostly transient and resolved during the study period.

This is what your study said.

Do you disagree with this statement or not?

snowcat · 04-09-2022 09:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568164#Comment_119568164

No I dont personally and it should have been studied in the trials which it was not.

04-09-2022 09:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568212#Comment_119568212

Ok. You disagree with that statement.

So why are you using that study to support your claim when it directly refutes and disagrees with your claim?

Be honest, did you read the study before posting it? Where you aware of that passage when you posted it?

Big Bag of Chips · 04-09-2022 09:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119567036#Comment_119567036

Stick to discussing Covid Vaccines please. Start a new thread if you want to discuss GMO and ecosystems.

snowcat · 04-09-2022 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568230#Comment_119568230

My ''claim'' is that the mRNA vaccines distrubt the menstrual cycle and by default affect fertility which however transient and temporary does affect fertility. Thats basic biology.

It would be interesting to see if the GMO MRNA vaxxes affect the male reproductive system in any similiar way but with no obvious outward signs that will need further research.

04-09-2022 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568048#Comment_119568048

Well. Not really. The clinical trials are scheduled to end in 2023. (Sure everyone who took these products were informed of that and freely consented to take part in these experimental tests). Expect it could be a few years before we see any medium/long term safety data published.

As, remember in the USA, Nov 2021, when the FDA were giving "Emergency Use Authorisation" to Pfizer they applied to the courts for the right to wait 55 years to process any freedom of information requests about the safety data on these products, later increased that to 75 years. Basically wanted to wait till 2096 to release all the safety data, in between we were told to just "trust the science".

That was for early on short term safety data.

Since that court request was rejected by a Federal Judge, data is being released. Some interesting reading, pretty clear why they wanted to wait 75 years to respond to queries about these "safe and effective" products.

04-09-2022 03:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568659#Comment_119568659

But the study you're using to make this claim states that there is no link to fertility.

So why did you post that study? I think that it's because you didn't actually ready the study beyond the headline and what you were told by the anti-vaxx source you got it from.

I will assume that because you're going with the vague, non committal hand waving of "it would be interesting to see", that you've nothing at all to suggest a link to male fertility either.

robinph · 04-09-2022 03:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568659#Comment_119568659

Other things that affect birth rates causing them to increase are power cuts and the football World Cup. So I guess any minute temporary effect you seem to think exists due to the vaccines will be wiped out this winter.

robinph · 04-09-2022 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568057#Comment_119568057

The main reason for drug trials taking a long time is funding the next round of trials. Things happened quicker for the covid vaccines because they didn't have to fight for the funding, and they ran multiple trials in parallel.

I'm certain this was all explained multiple times in this thread since the very beginning.

snowcat · 04-09-2022 04:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119569584#Comment_119569584

I didnt realise that the football world cup and power cuts caused a change in menstrual cycles and abnormal bleeding.

04-09-2022 04:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570073#Comment_119570073

But according to your source (which is the only one you've pointed to) " even if the vaccine is associated with temporary menstrual changes, it is extremely unlikely that this has any effect on current or future fertility. "

Do you have any other sources for your claim that didn't directly contradict you?

You should probably read them before posting this time though.

robinph · 04-09-2022 05:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570073#Comment_119570073

Yet you still haven't shown anything to support your claim regarding fertility. The vaccines have been around long enough to have noticed any change in fertility caused by them, yet you have nothing except a report which contradicts your argument.

snowcat · 04-09-2022 07:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570451#Comment_119570451

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570130#Comment_119570130

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119569530#Comment_119569530

I think the vaccine fanatics could be compared with Donald Trump supporters. As Donald said I could shoot someone dead on the street and get away with it. There is none so blind as those who will not see.

odyssey06 · 04-09-2022 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570988#Comment_119570988

What on earth are you on about?

Notwithstanding Triump's support for vaccine development... take a random poll of Trump supporters v Biden supporters, and guaranteed anti vaxxers will be predominantly on the Trump side.

Plus, noted there is zero attempt made to respond to the evidence presented contradicting your claims.

Your posts are incoherent medically and politically.

snowcat · 04-09-2022 07:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119571027#Comment_119571027

I am speaking about the fanatisism supporters of a cause have. The vaccine fanatics have a similiar cult like believe in the power of the vax. No critisism or rebuke is allowed. If there is one offered they are in the other camp or one of the 'you guys' the anti vaxxers. The fact the vaxx has been poor to terrible is glossed over in favour of the overall cause.

04-09-2022 08:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119568659#Comment_119568659

Did you hear what else can impact menstrual cycles? Viruses. It’s not mRNA, it’s anything that can trigger an immune response that can impact cycles

04-09-2022 08:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570988#Comment_119570988

You have provided zero evidence of any unusual impacts associated with the covid vaccines. Zero, but continue to spout complete sh*te as if you are some sort of all seeing mage

odyssey06 · 04-09-2022 08:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119571240#Comment_119571240

You seem remarkably unconcerned about the impacts of covid infections on pregnant women, yet have to resort to misrepresentation of studies into vaccines to express your concerns about them.

But we're the fanatics???

Look at the cases, and hospitalisations the Lancet Sweden study showed the vaccines prevented.

Look at the risk of severe covid for vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

If you are reserving your judgement about vaccines that is one thing.

But anybody who says the vaccines are poor to terrible does not do so on the basis of evidence.

And you show zero awareness of the challenge a respiratory virus like covid presents for vaccines. It is the same reason why they posed such a challenge to medical services.

Facts are stubborn things, and I follow the facts.

04-09-2022 11:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570988#Comment_119570988

Sorry you're going to have to explain how it's fanatical to point out the only study you've provided to support a link between vaccines and a decrease in fertility directly states that there isn't a link.

Seems more like you're going off on this rant to deflect away from this point

Frankly to me it looks like you're upset because again you've caught yourself out because you posted something without reading past the headline.

robinph · 05-09-2022 12:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119571240#Comment_119571240

Nobody is claiming that the vaccines are 100% perfect at doing their job, except for anti vaxxers like yourself who keep claiming that is what the non anti vaxxers have claimed.

The non anti vaxxers just understand that whilst there are some issues with vaccines, there are far bigger issues with covid so it is far better for all if people get vaccinated. Nobody is fanatical about getting vaccines though, we're just here to counter people like yourself spreading lies.

snowcat · 06-09-2022 07:29AM

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(22)00125-X/fulltext

Symptoms related to menstruation or vaginal bleeding after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine are being reported to v-safe in response to open-ended prompts about new symptoms after vaccination. Commonly reported symptoms were related to cycle timing, severity of menstrual symptoms, and postmenopausal bleeding. Vaccine safety monitoring through systems like v-safe and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System can help to identify and characterise symptoms reported after vaccination; however, questions remain about the prevalence of these symptoms after vaccination and how they compare with baseline rates, what physiological changes post-vaccination might underlie potential menstrual cycle disruption, and what the clinical significance is of post-vaccination menstrual irregularities and vaginal bleeding. Ongoing studies,11 including prospective cohort studies that can solicit and describe menstrual symptoms after vaccination, long-term follow-up studies that can characterise the clinical implications of these symptoms, and physiological studies that can explore potential mechanisms underlying menstrual symptoms, can better explore these questions.

06-09-2022 07:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119577564#Comment_119577564

But according to the previous study you posted there was no link between the potential changes of menstrual cycles and a decrease in fertility.

Let's finish discussing that study before you try to deflect to a new study.

Why did you post the previous study when it directly refuted your claim?

Or could you explain how pointing this out to you is "fanatical"?

sydthebeat · 09-09-2022 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119570073#Comment_119570073

no but stress does. and so does weight loss.... and excess exercise

hell, even living with other females effects your menstrual cycle.

i wonder if any of these things changed for women during a world wide pandemic ??? hummmm......

and if they did, could that be the reason for effected menstrual cycles???

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