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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,206 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @farmerval

    The image of America retreating from Kabul in total disarray is well forgotten now. Joe Biden has much to thank Putin for. After Donald Trumps disastrous foreign policy and discord, Putin has suddenly united the West. Surely he won't be allowed to continue in charge in Russia??

    If Putin saw the US retreating from Afghanistan as a green light to pursue his own military goals, then he is an even worse strategist than people are currently suspecting. He should know, first of all, that no conventional military force on Earth can cope with an insurgency if that insurgency can be maintained for long enough, so to see the US pull out of Afghanistan is not necessarily a sign that they're a declining military power. In a conventional ground war, they still crush Russia without trying too hard.

    Secondly, it's almost unbelievable that Putin thought he could start a war in 21st century Europe and face anything but a vociferous response from virtually every Western nation. How could it turn into anything other than a massive proxy war? He possibly could have pursued a lightning invasion of Ukraine in 2014, back before the country had received large amounts of Western military aid and training, but for some reason decided to wait until after Ukraine had got all that and continues to get it. To paraphrase Darth Putin - he remains a master strategist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Field east


    “Paper does not refuse ink” as the saying goes. And ‘ if you have got a reputation for getting up early , you can stay in bed all day”. I would like to know if there is any of proof of the aledged war games taking place and at what level? One Ru tank racing one Chinese tank or is it more serious than that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,206 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @TheValeyard

    Why the Fcuk are the Russian generals off doing war games with India and China when their forces are getting hammered in Kharviv oblast?

    Its like a whole play the fiddle when Rome burns thing.

    His generals aren't much use, it seems, so maybe he thinks a bit of training for them can only be of benefit. In Putin's mind, he may hope that each general returns knowing Sun Tzu by heart, that the Iranian drones prove effective and those NK conscripts will lay down their lives for the giddy dream of one hot meal per day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Could this withdrawal / defeat in last few days just be putin prepping for a ‘WMD’ strike…..move his men and equipment out before he drops the ‘big one’……or if not a ‘WMD’ maybe a ‘mustard gas type’ / chemical attack..?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Putin wouldn’t have the justification to use a WMD unless Ukraine actually invaded Russian soil.

    As for chemical attacks I think the eyes of the world are too firmly on him so he couldn’t get away easily with it.


    But Putin doesn’t think like a normal human



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,328 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's a horrific possibility, but surely he knows, and more importantly his chain of command all the way down to the man pushing the actual button on such a thing knows, that if they do that then any pretense at all is gone. That any support they think they have in nations like China and India and the like will vanish in the face of all that. IMHO it would be the end for Russia. The political and economic fallout abroad and at home would make what they're currently facing look like a joke. I could see mass expulsions of Russian embassies and politicians, even ex pat Russians themselves.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    His options are:

    nuke

    draft

    defeat/withdrawal of troops.


    Seems like a draft is most likely option, though that might led to domestic unrest ? But seems to me he has the russian population very much under control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    I agree, yet i can't see how any of those 3 choices leave him in situ as leader.

    And even if they do draft citizens is there sufficient hardware to maintain a war (which it will officially then be for Russia).

    No matter how you spin it all are admissions of defeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Saw this picture at the beginning of the War. Would love a high-quality print of it for the wall.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,206 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "Say the special military operation is not going at all well without saying it's not going at all well."

    (Putin introduces a draft for all able-bodied men)

    "Nice"

    Anyway, Russia's quite a repressed nation as far as its internal politics goes and just because you don't see a lot of protest in the country doesn't mean there isn't discontent. The apparent assassination of Darya Dugina (or rather the attempted one on her father) and this year's spate of mystery fires and explosions throughout Russia would suggest that there is considerable tumult underneath the cool exterior Russians like to portray, and when dams fully break it is sudden and violent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What will he draft. This is not WW1 where after 3-4 weeks basic training you can shove a lad into a trench. This war is all about technology. He is running out of everything tanks, aircraft, artillery, munitions etc.

    I said it before it's the Zulus against the British army

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Pretty much this. No matter how many Helmets you fill for the fight, if the best you can field is only slightly more advanced than (poorly maintained) WWII tech they’ve little better off than before. Especially with the stupidity in command of their forces still in place.

    I feel that a “Draft” of sorts has been going on for a while with the Russians doing their best to entrap young men from Far-East Russia into joining. Pretty much using any trick they have to force people in without actually calling it a draft.

    All I think an official Draft would achieve is adding young Muscovites to the War…which my gut tells me won’t be much help to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭dzer2


    I think.your given Putin credit for too much intelligence and regard for his Canon fodder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Secondly, it's almost unbelievable that Putin thought he could start a war in 21st century Europe and face anything but a vociferous response from virtually every Western nation. How could it turn into anything other than a massive proxy war? He possibly could have pursued a lightning invasion of Ukraine in 2014, back before the country had received large amounts of Western military aid and training, but for some reason decided to wait until after Ukraine had got all that and continues to get it. To paraphrase Darth Putin - he remains a master strategist.

    He has an obsession with the notion of the greater Russia, Peter The Great style, and how all countries around it are inferior and serve that Russia, especially Ukraine. He also has an unwavering belief that the West is weak, corrupt, decadent and would not face him down. Add into the mix an inflexible, useless as we now know and clearly pillaged military force plus his minions telling him what he wanted to hide that and he's been onto a loser since Day 1. The surprise is that Ukraine unexpectedly turned out to be the one to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    Putin is not feeling too secure at the moment

    Moscow center blocked off




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yesterday was city day celebration. Not sure I'd read anything into it.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The pictures showing the amount of abandoned Russian kit coming out now is incredible.


    The Ukrainians should donate it to the Moldovans and Georgians to allow them sort out their "Separatist" problems and open up new fronts against the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    No. They should use it to defeat Russia as it’s the only objective they need to care about right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Don't rule out a chemical attack it's also an option imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    He can just announce an end to the special op, sheep will follow.

    Only thing he has committed war crimes at every turn

    Captured general & office has links to chains of command right to the top putin himself.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exploding a nuke or any sizeable chemical weapon would be of similar effect and would make him a pariah anywhere outside North Korea, possibly Iran and some other failed states on the Horn of Africa. India and China would have to disown him or end up in the same shîtter as Putin.

    I don’t see Putin that desperate unless NATO attacks Russia, and that ain’t happening. Even an internal putch wouldn’t drive him to such extremes, as what would be the point!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭rogber


    In Eastern Europe maybe. In this corner of Europe in ten years this will all be forgotten by all but a small group of historians, just like the Arab Spring which dominated the news 10 years ago is now just a dot on history.

    That's taking nothing away from Ukraine's heroic resistance. Just a fact. In 10 years the average Joe will know more about the Guardiola -Klopp rivalry than the Russia-Ukraine war. In fact that's already the case now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The last one I heard of was in Syria where a Russian position was about to be over run by isis and the forward air controller called in a strike on his own position killed dozens of isis fighters while protecting his comrades,it was mentioned in multiple Threads at the time ,

    Then the Americans came out and said it never happened, what actually happened was the forward air controller accidentally called an airstrike on himself, killing himself and no isis fighters....

    There's stories from Vietnam to Americans in Afghanistan calling in danger close strikes, including Into their own positions to prevent an overrun of forces.

    it's not limited to one country or anothers military



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭jmreire


    But drafting young Muscovites into the war is what he has studiously avoided. Body bags arriving home to the rural areas and far flung republics is one thing, but Moscow and St. Petersburg???? Nyet Spassiba!!. There has already been calls for him to be removed and charged with treason, and despite the immediate crackdown on these people, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Once it sinks in that ultimately he will kill them all if he has to, that will trigger a landslide of anti -Putin protests that will topple him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Sunday is normally a quiet day for NATO operations, however today is an exception.

    Currently, we have 2 x KC-135 at 23,000ft and 22,000ft respectively on refueling operations over Romania. There is an RC-135 Rivet Joint on SIGNIT operations.

    We have an Ares ii on the coast near Moldova, also on SIGNIT operations and finally, we have our usual UAV Global Hawk flying near Yalta in Crimea, the furthest North that I have seen it so far.

    Right now, as I write this, The Ukranian commanders are recieving a vast amount of realtime data in support of their offensive, with NATO showing their real power over the Russians - multiple assets of varying capabilities able to coordinate and share data with each other instantaneously, giving Ukraine a "top-down" view of the operations.

    Also, someone mentioned that Russia may be pulling their troops back in the North in order to protect them from a possible WMD strike. I think this is unlikely as the prevailing winds are always TOWARDS Russia. Two things might signal a possible chance of such an attack. 1. The winds change direction to a southerly or south-westerly heading, and 2. Russia kills some of the US or NATO satellites currently being used in the data link between NATO assets and Ukraine.

    Russia has the ability to cripple satellites in Low Earth Orbit and, if this does happen some day, then I would expect a huge escalation and change of tactics with the possible use of a WMD. Russia has the capability of "blinding" NATO at any time by using an anti-satt. missile fired from an aircraft at high altitude. There are a number of these Mig-25's currently stationed at Kaliningrad. The US can do the same using an F-15 and actually demonstrated this capability a number of years ago during a live firing. Such an attack would have another knock-on effect in that the debris cloud created in LEO would jeprodise all other space assets within the orbital plane of the attack. It might be an interesting excercise to pinpoint the altitude and orbital inclination of known military satellites ( there are a number of OSINT guys already doing so) and to see what other assets share the same inclination.

    Here are screenshots of the current air operations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    They've been going into apartment blocks in Donetsk and Luhansk and have been dragging able bodied males out to put into the trenches without training. I seen one lad a few days ago in a pair of fake Adidas runners and military clothing. They'll be lucky to get their 3-4 weeks training. And they most certainly won't be from St Petersburg or Moscow. They'll be drafted from the sticks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There was a translated russian telegram post at the start of the counteroffensive in kherson which was soaked in sarcasm.

    It was talking about 1000 Ukrainian troops killed and 100 tanks destroyed, again it was sarcasm. It went on to mention Russian soldiers retreating and what are they supposed to do, a group of 50 stay and get surrounded and call in an airstrike on their position to becomes heroes etc.... All sarcasm.

    It was that single post that people read and assumed the kherson offensive was a disaster within hours of it starting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,206 ✭✭✭✭briany


    At what point does a conscript with little to no training become more of a hindrance than a help? I know that Russian high command doesn't have a whole lot of compassion for the average grunt, nor a passing interest in even trying to portray that, but from a pure tactical standpoint, an untrained soldier would be so much more liable to do stupid/dangerous stuff that would unravel a greater military plan, from giving away a position, to committing friendly fire, to being killed and becoming more putrifying body on the battlefield, bringing disease to the still-living combatants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,129 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    All quiet on Telegram today, but that is usually the case on a Sunday when fighting seems to hit a lull.

    никакой паники - no panic.



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