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Multiple Dead Dairy Calves Limerick

  • 06-09-2022 9:02am
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    Registered Users Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭


    Shocking story with figures of dead livestock ranging from 100 to 400 beasts. Thought to be bull calves born from cows in dairy herds, which are of very little monetary value.

    Unfortunately for the dairy farm industry, this sort of stuff is dynamite in the hands of those who are campaigning to reduce the national herd. Never mind, those who campaign for eating less meat & dairy.

    Terrible for the poor bull calves to die like this, why not just slaughter them at birth if surplus to requirement. The ethics are very disturbing. Obviously many farmers are repulsed by the likes of this but the issue does seem to be part of the dairy industry.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The bull calves can be sold, yes at a lower price, but sold to people for numerous reasons

    No reason to kill 100+ animals and should be fully investigated before making assumptions of what happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,378 ✭✭✭Furze99


    Indeed - we do have some reports already that issue arose as neighbour noticed a strong smell and initial view that malnutrition may be a contributory cause. Be interesting to see if we hear much more of the case after a couple of days as the dirty washing tends to get swept out of view quick enough. I hope we do as whilst I'd be very supportive of the ordinary family farm, there's an industrial element to some of the big players in the dairy business in particular.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Something fishy alright. Such a waste could be used for pet food minimum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    RTE Radio 1 news at 1 today were to cover this but ran out of time.

    Brian Dobson said they would come back to it tomorrow.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 21,341 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Threads merged



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There is also another thread in Farming and Forestry which is now closed temporarily.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They won’t come back to it as unfortunately that industry is still very protected in Ireland.

    It’s quite convenient they ran out of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I would have thought they would be worth more, even as dog food or whatever, than just letting them die.

    I guess I'm wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I had the above comment posted before I saw this. Will you ever stop. It is blatantly obvious now that you are pushing an agenda. Let this be about the issue at hand, the welfare of these calves, not your ideology please.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are these isolated incidents that have been found out ?

    Or is it more likely that this is happening more often ?

    Life experience would tell me that for every few that are found there’ll be plenty not found.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can scramble all you want and hide behind words like ‘agenda’ (the irony being that you’re a farmer but you’re coming here with no agenda ?) but the facts always speak for themselves.

    It’s happened before. It’s happened again.

    I wonder how many times it’s gone unreported too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I cannot answer that Klopparama. However, they will have cost the person in question somewhere from €4000 at a minimum up to possibly €80,000 depending on breed, age and conformation. Given the costs involved, I would hazard a guess that it's not all that common.

    Don't forget that all farmers must test all animals I their herd annually for TB. Every animal must be accounted for and present on the holding on the day of the test so it is only a matter of time for any farmer before a case like this will be discovered. Greater than 10% (iirc) mortality triggers an automatic inspection from the dept of agriculture so I would think that cases such as this are quite isolated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The animals are a farmers life, you won’t be in business if you mistreat them.

    Some people, very rarely, are not fit to be farmers like some people are not fit for any job and unfortunately the animals suffer. But this is tiny percentage

    A few people seem to want to make a judgement before the fact, at the moment nobody here knows what happened

    It is also totally incorrect to say these animals are worthless, they are not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭Grueller


    No Klopparama, I declared my agenda from the first sentence if you check back.



  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    See a similar thing happening but on a smaller scale each year with one of the bigger farmers around here who is well known as a complete tight arse c*nt.

    Sick animals left in one of their fields with little grazing and water once they are older, lame or have other issues that a vet could solve.

    One of the neighbours who is also a farmer ended up reporting him to the department of agriculture this summer after he left twenty dead cows lie in the field for two weeks and other neighbouring farmers were complaining about the smell and other cows breaking out into their fields for grass.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,055 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Should be put out of business, simple as, if that is the case.



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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Having dealt with the department previously on behalf of one of my uncles, and some of their vets, I have little faith in them doing the right thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,686 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I'd take your story with an extremely large grain of salt. 20 cows dying at the same time ..... not to mention at a time when cows were making great money in factories. You're probably talking ballpark of 20k there for these 20 cows if they can walk up the ramp.

    All animals have to be disposed of at registered facilities now and there is a fixed price per animal so there is absolutely no advantage for allowing them to "pile up".



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,227 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Nobody has argued that what happened in this particular case is more acceptable than your facetious comparison based upon imaginary circumstances, but apart from that, the other difference is that people don’t keep livestock in their homes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some folks are quick to lump all dairy farmers into one group. You will have some farmers who cut corners, don't really care about animal wellbeing. I can only speculate like the rest of you. Normally the males are sold on as veal or pet food, why that wasn't the case no one knows at this stage.But how it is just now being reported I don't know considering the amount of bawling that would of went on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,734 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Who said this farmer involved is a dairy farmer? There are no clear facts just people jumping to conclusions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    All sort of stories will come out, in reality if the case was true other farmers would demand he is shut down

    twenty cows dead around fields would be known by everyone in the area and to be honest ireland is so small everyone in the country. I live in Meath and never heard it once!!!! Plus my uncle and cousins farm in Meath

    I said at the start let’s wait till the facts come out, the wild speculation doesn’t really help



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Dairy farmer or ordinary farmer its still a horrendous thing to do to any animal, but let's not get caught up in semantics, at the very least a farmer buying bull dairy calfs is involved in the dairy industry, the wording isn't the issue here and seems a silly thing to be getting upset over



  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭hamburgham




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Interesting to see if this is talked about today on RTE as the farmers have a power hold over information at the state broadcaster.



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