BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Slightly ominous for Truss I would have thought. She's taking over a party who are unenergised by her and who don't really rate her.

They rattled through the 'group stage' pretty much as quick as they good. I didn't hear much calls for a speeded-up membership vote so this seems to be as long as it takes...

The audio is pretty clear really.

But rather than you be annoyed about how some parts of the media are covering it, what is your take from it?

IMO its pretty clear what she is saying but you don't seem to think we can take anything from it.

She talks about the voters wanting easy answers and Brexit use of immigrants and EU to blame are those easy answers. When really the UK worker just needs to work harder and smarter.

There is very clearly an aspect of saying that she thinks that the core problem are the people themselves and looking to blame others is the easy and wrong option.

What do you think she meant?

Is there no possiblity it my be the business owners fault that the business isn't performing ?

I've no idea what she meant in truth, all I'm saying is the left wing media are interpreting what she said in as negative and damaging a way as possible. All I know is that it does appear to be a fact that the Germans and the Chinese are more productive than the British. Why is that? I've no idea. I could believe the Chinese are overworked, but not the Germans.

And as for the book she co-wrote as another poster was saying, she didn't write the bit in question, apparently.

This has been said a few times in this thread so I took particular note of the people in the audience at the hustings as seen on TV. I saw quite a few people of West Asian and African descent and women in the audience, but yes none of them were particularity young. It doesn't come as much of a surprise to me that joining the membership of a political party would more likely be a passtime of older people.

And I don't get this argument about only the membership electing their leader. Who else would elect the next Tory leader only them. You'd hardly expect the electorate as a whole to vote for the next Tory leader? Or Labour supporters.

If the argument is they are electing the next PM, then that implies that if the opposition/s call for a PM to resign, then they are calling for a GE as well. Anyway, I don't think Labour have a hope of winning a GE, even against Truss as PM. I think she will do better than if Johnson was still PM.

Twitter is only used by about 2% regularly, and the demographic is overwhelming young White middle class. In other words Labour activist base.

Regardless of the topic or content the tiny niche echo chamber that is Twitter should never be used as a touchstone.

If she goes down the free market love in route then Labour will win by a landslide.

If she doesn't cap Energy prices, the Tories won't be able to even canvas.

Wonder who the next candidates would be after Christmas?

I also wonder if Truss might backpedal on tax cuts, look after people and businesses that cannot afford inflation and energy costs, and be her better self. I hope she might have been putting forward a stance to get elected as PM by a tiny cohort of the Conservative voters, and will now do the right thing.

She might be ousted for not doing the above by a majority of backbenchers worried about their seats. I wonder if self destruct is all she will do though..

My guess is like Johnson she will do nothing but talk. She doesn't have the skills or vision to actually achieve anything.

It will be a lazy useless stagnant government that will change nothing.