It's all falling apart alarmingly fast for Boris Johnson across the water. How long you reckon he has left as British Prime Minister? Hours surely?
How many parties are they talking about now? I've lost count.
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Slightly ominous for Truss I would have thought. She's taking over a party who are unenergised by her and who don't really rate her.
Yeah yeah. Sure it's always Labour's fault. Even when it's not their fault.
Standard QAnon-grade stuff that modern conservatism has embraced. Mostly in the US, it's seeping in here too. Education has become the enemy of modern conservatism and is used as a stick to beat liberals and the left with as they can't have people questioning their betters.
Bit ridiculous this election is taking so long. Wouldn't matter so much if they were in opposition but when the country doesn't have an effective PM you'd think they'd speed things up a bit. It's not like it's even close.
It hasn't had an effective PM for the last few years, the time taken for the election and the result isn't going to change that either.
The Tories stopped pretending they even give a fuk about the optics a long time ago
They rattled through the 'group stage' pretty much as quick as they good. I didn't hear much calls for a speeded-up membership vote so this seems to be as long as it takes...
I see Pippa Crerar has shifted from The Mirror to The Guardian, with a scoop to start off with.
This out of context snippet of an audio recording has been interpreted as Truss saying that British workers are 'lazy'.
Based on that recording we can not conclude that is what she was saying at all. It has been highlighted since that British productivity is not on the same scale of Germany and other countries.
This has more to do with management practices rather than the performance of individual workers.
But of course the likes of James O'Brien will jump to conclusions, as well as the left wing media, and do their best to trash her as best they can.
The audio is pretty clear really.
But rather than you be annoyed about how some parts of the media are covering it, what is your take from it?
IMO its pretty clear what she is saying but you don't seem to think we can take anything from it.
She talks about the voters wanting easy answers and Brexit use of immigrants and EU to blame are those easy answers. When really the UK worker just needs to work harder and smarter.
There is very clearly an aspect of saying that she thinks that the core problem are the people themselves and looking to blame others is the easy and wrong option.
What do you think she meant?
Its not that surprising really. Members of the Conservative party are overwhelmingly white, male and old. So given the choice between a white man near 60, a white woman in her 40s and an Asian man in his 40s, they picked the old white man, big shock. Its the system thats broken - the two candidates are having to appeal to their audience so we're getting this slew of "if elected I'll ban cross country" type of school election stuff. A few hundred thousand people are deciding the PM of a G7 country of 60 million. Bizarre really.
All those things are true , but it's also the fact that the core Tory party membership simply do not believe that Johnson did anything wrong.
As far as they are concerned all that "stuff" doesn't apply to him (or them) - Those are rules and regulations for the plebs.
She co-wrote a book decrying the British worker as lazy and feckless. It's true to form. I watched O'Brien's video on the subject and it's spot on.
Funny how once the foreigner isn't there, the workers get demonised by the right.
Is there no possiblity it my be the business owners fault that the business isn't performing ?
A part of the issue around productivity is lack of investment. With the uncertainty around Brexit and market access and tarrifs levies on materials and components how can companies invest in new technologies?
Look at the car manufacturers, how can they invest in retooling plants for new models if UK start a trade war?
Interestingly, the plucky Britain making new trade deals led by plucky Liz in her latest Thatcher ensemble forget that the EU tailor it's trade deals to ensure that Britain won't gat an advantage, e.g. Japanese cars will be able to enter the EU Tarrif free.
Of course not.. It's the workers not implementing their perfect plans that are at fault.
"Leadership" are never at fault in the Tory mindset
If only they would work all hours for no money with a terrible education and still be world beaters at their jobs.
Bloody poor people.
There are numerous clips out there of Truss not being on top of her brief, mainly because she couldn't be arsed doing the prep work, i.e., she is lazy as ****. Much like her, soon to be, predecessor.
Tory monetary policy : The poor work hardest when they have little to begin with. The rich work hardest when they have a lot.
I've no idea what she meant in truth, all I'm saying is the left wing media are interpreting what she said in as negative and damaging a way as possible. All I know is that it does appear to be a fact that the Germans and the Chinese are more productive than the British. Why is that? I've no idea. I could believe the Chinese are overworked, but not the Germans.
And as for the book she co-wrote as another poster was saying, she didn't write the bit in question, apparently.
This has been said a few times in this thread so I took particular note of the people in the audience at the hustings as seen on TV. I saw quite a few people of West Asian and African descent and women in the audience, but yes none of them were particularity young. It doesn't come as much of a surprise to me that joining the membership of a political party would more likely be a passtime of older people.
And I don't get this argument about only the membership electing their leader. Who else would elect the next Tory leader only them. You'd hardly expect the electorate as a whole to vote for the next Tory leader? Or Labour supporters.
If the argument is they are electing the next PM, then that implies that if the opposition/s call for a PM to resign, then they are calling for a GE as well. Anyway, I don't think Labour have a hope of winning a GE, even against Truss as PM. I think she will do better than if Johnson was still PM.
Rather than trying to spot people in an audience, believe Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-11/tories-choosing-uk-leader-tend-to-be-middle-aged-wealthy-white - older, white, wealthy and male.
This weight towards one section of society is what makes their election of the next PM very loaded, not the mechanics of the system per se.
As expected it's Liz Truss for next British PM.
Here is what's trending in Twitter in the UK
Can we change this thread to "Liz Truss will soon be toast"
Twitter is only used by about 2% regularly, and the demographic is overwhelming young White middle class. In other words Labour activist base.
Regardless of the topic or content the tiny niche echo chamber that is Twitter should never be used as a touchstone.
If she goes down the free market love in route then Labour will win by a landslide.
If she doesn't cap Energy prices, the Tories won't be able to even canvas.
One Tory party high up said her biggest challenge maybe surviving til Easter.
I would have thought that surviving until Christmas would be enough of a challenge.
She won't get any kind of "honeymoon" period whatsoever.
Someone needs to tell her straight away to quit with the Thatcher imitations - It comes across a bit pathetic and she doesn't come across 10% as formidable as Thatcher was (love or loath her)
Wonder who the next candidates would be after Christmas?
I also wonder if Truss might backpedal on tax cuts, look after people and businesses that cannot afford inflation and energy costs, and be her better self. I hope she might have been putting forward a stance to get elected as PM by a tiny cohort of the Conservative voters, and will now do the right thing.
She might be ousted for not doing the above by a majority of backbenchers worried about their seats. I wonder if self destruct is all she will do though..
So, in Ireland, we send our failures to Europe, the UK, with that no longer an option, promote them to prime minister.
Eskimohunt must be livid.
Wherever they are.
This is going to get ridiculous, boris will only be seen as a mild buffoon due to what comes next.
My guess is like Johnson she will do nothing but talk. She doesn't have the skills or vision to actually achieve anything.
It will be a lazy useless stagnant government that will change nothing.
Never underestimate the Labour proclivity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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