Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Brussels Sprout · 30-08-2022 5:09pm

It appears that the deputy head of Kherson (who's effectively the top official since the head is in a coma) has fled Kherson. An activist determined from the background in his latest videos that he's actually in Russia.

Kirill Stremousov, who was appointed deputy head of the Russian-backed Kherson military-civilian administration, has published regular video updates to state-owned Russian news outlets and his Telegram account.

But a Ukrainian activist, Serhii Sternenko, has claimed Stremousov is no longer in Kherson and has instead been filming his recent video updates somewhere near the Cathedral of Annunciation in Voronezh in Russia, which can be seen in the background.

Voronezh is almost 500 miles from Kherson and about 120 miles from the border with Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1564529267828002817

When asked by the Guardian about his location, Stremousov said that he was currently “travelling around Russian cities, meeting different people for work”.

He said:

I don’t have to sit [in Kherson]. I am the deputy head of the region and have the opportunity to move around…These are working trips.

“Kherson will remain my base,” he added, denying that he left Kherson out of safety concerns.

Stremousov became the most senior Russian-appointed official in Kherson after the local governor, Volodymyr Saldo, was taken to hospital amid a suspected poisoning earlier in the summer.

Stremousov’s apparent departure from Kherson comes after another Russian-appointed official in the region, Alexei Kovalev, was shot dead in his home over the weekend.

In the past months, a number of Ukrainian nationals appointed by Russian forces in occupied territory have been killed or wounded in apparent partisan attacks.

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ilkhanid · 30-08-2022 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119543365#Comment_119543365

Or googling ''Dedovshchina'' will bring you straight to it. ''Hazing'' or ''bullying'' doesn't even begin to cover the brutality. Some of the abuse perpetrated on raw recruits can only be considered torture.

Field east · 30-08-2022 6:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119536153#Comment_119536153

A Russian tourist, a Russian fleeing Russia, a Russian going to work abroad are NOT to be trusted BECAUSE of the following possibility - they may be innocent arrivals but the , for example, be recruited by the Russian embassy to spy, etc. They could also arrive as ‘sleepers. So none of the. Can be trusted’

jmreire · 30-08-2022 6:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119544052#Comment_119544052

I've met with and worked with Russian soldiers, so have a good idea on what goes on during basic training....basically, for the first year, the new recruits are completely at the mercy of anyone with more experience, And that includes 2nd year soldiers. But the worst hazing will come from more experienced soldiers, and some of these show absolutely no mercy when it comes to "toughening them up" It got so bad at one stage ( after soldiers started coming back from Chechnya , many with untreated psychological issues) that the Mothers formed a group and protested at the Kremlin and in the major city's. Things imroved after that but not much...seems to be ongoing now again. Recruits showing up for the morning parades with blacked eyes and missing teeth, not mention broken bones, were a regular occurrence. What was worse was that the officers turned a blind eye to what was going on.

Strazdas · 30-08-2022 8:47pm

Near total radio silence at the moment but the mood music is that there is a lot of activity happening in Kherson Oblast. It might take us several days to hear anything, but I reckon this media blackout is good news and is encouraging.

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 8:45am

an updated map in Kherson

https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1564661099739418626?s=21&t=N3QgkBd00KDaSodfm-0MgQ

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 8:47am

Some thoughts on Russian economyu

https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1564531204631760897?s=20&t=WB0vuaX9OmwA-7DM78kvdA

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 8:51am

Russion ammunitions depot destroyed..

https://twitter.com/intermarium24/status/1564688844070567936

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 8:55am

"US officials say"....

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1564707045626060801?s=21&t=N3QgkBd00KDaSodfm-0MgQ

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 9:06am

Some random Kherson news...

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1564770568674877440?t=UKBK9QMFY7X1QL4UD0mnRg&s=19

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 9:06am

Some Ukrainian propaganda..

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1564796891640078336?s=21&t=l4L2fDCG4VVluZf5rxj1Iw

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 9:08am

UK MoD updates..

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1564843163839258624?t=kXHWoCE30ZaslyN8iMWMBw&s=19

pixelburp · 31-08-2022 9:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119545048#Comment_119545048

There could even be the perverse situation where the advance smashes through Russian defences so quickly and unexpectedly, the Ukraine troops ironically find themselves too far ahead of the front. It can and does happen where success is your own downfall, and your troops get cut off from their supply lines.

Of course, official Russian sources have claimed the Kherson advance failed spectacularly, and the Ukranians took heavy casualties. Which presumably means the Russian forces are in trouble.

Brussels Sprout · 31-08-2022 10:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119546540#Comment_119546540

Even if the attack exceeds expectations it's hard to imagine that the Ukrainians won't take heavy casualties. That's just the nature of attacking positions held by a large number defenders (there are estimates of >20,000 Russian troops west of the Dniepr). It's probably one of the reasons the Ukrainians have held off on this attack for so long. They've been trying to reduce the potential for losses by eliminating as much of the Russian's ammo and supply lines as possible. They can't eliminate it all with HIMARs though. At some stage they just have to go for it, come what may.

johnnyskeleton · 31-08-2022 1:49pm

Mod:

Brief_Lives, please read the charter. This is a discussion forum not a news dump

Brief_Lives · 31-08-2022 2:01pm

ahhh, no problem., Will stop...

Gatling · 31-08-2022 2:05pm

Apparently a senior group of officers from the FSB were meeting in a hotel In Kherson, partisans blew up the hotel killing all of them.

Russia is panicking now and trying to rapidly recruit new soldiers to send to Crimea , for those who have been saying for the last 8 years about Crimea is never going back to Ukraine bet you didn't predict its highly likely going to be back under Ukrainian control before Christmas

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31-08-2022 2:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119548412#Comment_119548412

Sure, the Ukrainians will take Crimea in your head anyway. I suppose next you are going to tell us all that the Ukrainians are preparing their assault on the Russian mainland and that they will be in Moscow by early next year.

Gatling · 31-08-2022 3:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119548617#Comment_119548617

Why would they be attacking Moscow ,they are taking back their land pushing the orc's back across the kerch straight.

No need to attack mainland russia,but they have already been hitting Belgorod in russia quite successfully

31-08-2022 5:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119548796#Comment_119548796

You really show your true colours when you use that racist term to refer to Russians, can we not resort to such low insults against a race of people.

Let's be realistic. Ukraine has zero chance of taking back Crimea anytime in the foreseeable future. From what I have seen today, they're supposed counterattack or counter-offensive. However you like to term it has failed hope you don't have your hopes up. Too much of Ukraine pulling off any type of meaningful victory in this war. I suspect that by winter when the energy price hikes really start to bite us here in the west, then western leaders will push hard for a settlement and one will be reached.

Gatling · 31-08-2022 5:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549424#Comment_119549424

It's happening whether you like it or not

, Ukraine is getting reunited as a whole and the orc's are getting smashed on a daily basis,it's gotten worse over the last few weeks and it's going to get a lot worse for them.

They could make it easy on themselves retreat back across the kerch straight or surrender and face the ukraine people for the genocide they committed

31-08-2022 5:14pm

Well, I guess you continue believing what you believe and living in fantasyland where Ukraine will somehow get a victory I don't see it happening and I am not the only one. There are plenty of qualified people who share similar opinions.

But then again you would believe anything that was favourable to America and it's allies.

And yet again you use the racist term to refer to Russian people. How do you expect anybody to respect your opinion when you stoop that low?

Gatling · 31-08-2022 5:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549468#Comment_119549468

Lol nice try but no .

pixelburp · 31-08-2022 5:27pm

Chalking it up as a case of "I honestly thought they were long dead already", Gorbachev has died aged 91. You'd wonder what he has made of the last 6 months and where his country has gone, geopolitically.

fash · 31-08-2022 5:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549519#Comment_119549519

There was a statement issued by a journalist friend on his behalf saying that Putin had turned to ash everything good he'd done.

I'll see if I can find it. E.g. here:

https://www.insider.com/gorbachev-felt-life-work-ruined-upset-state-of-russia-friend-2022-8

Gatling · 31-08-2022 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549519#Comment_119549519

I believe he took putins side while blaming nato for ukraine, while absolving Russia and Putin of blame in the last few months

ilkhanid · 31-08-2022 8:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549468#Comment_119549468

...referring to the Russian invaders. Considering they way they've behaved in Ukraine the term is apposite.

jmreire · 01-09-2022 2:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549468#Comment_119549468

Talking about fantasyland, you are the one living there if you think that Russia will now ever rule Ukraine. After all the atrocities they have committed? No way. Putin gambled and he has lost, how ever long it takes, he can forget about Ukraine, and I include Crimea in that. Slava Ukraine

Nody · 01-09-2022 8:07am

Another "accident" in Russia as Chairman Ravil Maganov of the Lukov energy company "accidently" has fallen out of a window from the 6th floor at a hospital he was being treated.

01-09-2022 8:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119551947#Comment_119551947

I didn't say that Russia would ever rule Ukraine, but I can certainly see them taking the black sea coast and leaving Ukraine cut off from the sea they already have control of a lot of resources and that used to belong to Ukraine without access to the black sea. Ukraine won't have much of an economy. I suspect this will happen sometime next year.

Gatling · 01-09-2022 8:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552432#Comment_119552432

How do you think they are planning on holding all this Ukrainian land while the Ukrainians and slaughtering russian forces around the clock,they have lost sizable portion of their airforce, their navy in the black sea have been completely limited in movements because the fear of losing more ships to anti ship missles, Kherson is going to be cut off from all russian supplies and any possible re-enforcements,

russia is failing since day one ,russia has lost

bobowen · 01-09-2022 9:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552551#Comment_119552551

Because they are not slaughtering Russian forces around the clock. Its called projection and the Ukrainians have been doing it since day one claiming Russians were being slaughtered in the thousands. The opposite is happening. Russia haven't even mobilised yet. Ukraine are dragging people off the streets of the main cities to bolster the front lines. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/world/middleeast/ukraine-soldiers-recruitment-draft.html

Zelensky needs a big win to justify the billions in weaponry that he says isn't going missing and being sold on the black market. If this "counter offensive" fails , as it looks like it is at this point due to the attacking forces being manned by a substantial amount of inexperienced reservists, the sending of weapons will most likely cease altogether.

Russia can play the long, slow game. Zelensky and Biden can't.

Gatling · 01-09-2022 10:07am

@bobowen Zelensky needs a big win to justify the billions in weaponry that he says isn't going missing and being sold on the black market.

Your clearly posting nonsense and russian propaganda, tell us about the secret chemical weapons labs the orcs discovered

paul71 · 01-09-2022 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552432#Comment_119552432

I had to check the date on this post to make sure it was not February. Are you seriously suggesting that the Russian army is going to advance out of Kerson, then take Mykolaiv and then take Odesa? The whole Black sea coast. That is sheer fantasy!

I do not know if Ukraine has enough to take Crimea but it does look like they believe they will take Kerson or they would not have attempted an attack there. So whatever about Ukraine taking ground on the Black sea coast which might be up for debate! Russia taking the black sea is beyond fantasy.

Brussels Sprout · 01-09-2022 10:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119549424#Comment_119549424

Out of curiosity, where are you sourcing your information that "they're supposed counterattack or counter-offensive. However you like to term it has failed"?

Brussels Sprout · 01-09-2022 10:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552327#Comment_119552327

Those Russian windows are treacherous.

Chips Lovell · 01-09-2022 10:28am

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bobowen · 01-09-2022 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119552984#Comment_119552984

Biological labs were discovered by the Russians and it was admitted in US congress. They were funded by the US Department of Defense and not the Department of Health.

Why don't I let Victoria Nuland tell you instead of me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdhaKAAi40

01-09-2022 11:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553036#Comment_119553036

Mainly from Russian, telegram channels and various people on Twitter yes I know you will come out and say it is propaganda but you have to be honest everything we are getting is propaganda either from Ukraine or Russia. All that I know is I have seen the videos of Ukrainian tanks and armoured personnel carriers being blown up by Russian, artillery and drones or aircraft.

I do find this source good and they appear to provide good and fair information about what is going on militarily on the ground in Ukraine.

https://youtube.com/channel/UCUnc496-PPmFZVKlYxUnToA

pixelburp · 01-09-2022 11:34am

Of course there will be footage of Ukranian assets blowing up; it's war. Nothing comes without cost.

The question is: who's losing equipment, troops or ground? The balance of information so far says Russian forces are the ones in larger trouble. Testimonies and proof saying otherwise would be more useful here than "here's footage of a Ukranian tank blowing up". WE've seen from yesterday there's evidence Ukraine have pushed into Kherson and Russia risks being cut-off. Again, evidence to the contrary would be useful here.

Nody · 01-09-2022 11:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553521#Comment_119553521

Yes; Russia is so successful that they claim to have blown up more HIMARS than what USA have shipped to Ukraine... And this is of course before we talk about certain ship that did not get blown up, did not have people die on it but sank in a storm out of the blue.

timmyntc · 01-09-2022 11:38am

Russia claims Ukraine shelling the plant to stop the IAEA coming, Ukraine claims Russia shelling the plant to stop the IAEA coming.

At least finally the day is here and the IAEA mission have entered Russian controlled Zaporizhzhia, so the 'he said she said' crap may cease and we may finally get a definitive answer as to who is shelling a fecking nuclear plant.

Best (realistic) outcome is that the plant remains under control by the IAEA, though probably with a Russian cordon surrounding for the time being. Maybe then the shelling will stop.

amandstu · 01-09-2022 11:40am

See another unfortunate "accidental death"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584

Surprising that Gorbachev did not have his throat slashed on his death bed.Who knows ,maybe he did.

Gatling · 01-09-2022 11:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553369#Comment_119553369

They are Russian labs from the Coldwar .

bobowen · 01-09-2022 11:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553599#Comment_119553599

Wow.

Fair enough Gatling. We'll agree to differ on this one.

Gatling · 01-09-2022 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553703#Comment_119553703

Nothing to differ about really one post is factual the other is false .

Labs were based in Ukraine from the time of Soviet occupation to today,the international community including eu and American keep the labs secure since ukraine decided on independence from russia

it's not a big secret now and it wasn't a big secret 8 years ago

bobowen · 01-09-2022 12:35pm

So let me get this straight...

The labs contain Russian biological materials from over 30 years ago and the Americans are making sure they are secure?

As I said. Wow.

Brussels Sprout · 01-09-2022 12:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553521#Comment_119553521

As you acknowledge yourself Telegram is certainly not a reliable source. Often there are just random videos with little or no context or verification.

I watch a few of those YouTube channels that monitor the changing front lines as well. The difficulty for them, with this particular Kherson offensive ,is that the Ukrainians are implementing a media blackout on their side. That means that almost all of the information is coming from Russian army sources or Telegram channels so it's certainly not the full story.

01-09-2022 1:04pm

Hopefully it won't take too long for us to get the truth about who was really shelling the nuclear plant, the inspectors arrived at the plant recently.

Video of the IAEA convoy approaching Energodar. In addition to the Tigr and Patrol-A armored vehicles of the Russian Guard, the mission vehicles are also escorted by a Mi-8 helicopter.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cglf24l0f2ktmig/video.mp4?dl=0

fly_agaric · 01-09-2022 1:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119553924#Comment_119553924

Do you think there's US "bioweapons" in Ukraine - Is that it?? You usually try to stick closer to reality with your distortions + nonsense!

The Soviet Union had a world-beating biological weapons programme despite lying to the world + signing the UN biological weapons convention. Some of this was based in Ukraine I think + there was US involvement in monitoring it and decommissioning it. I doubt there's much of anything left now but am sure some of the scientists are still knocking about.

God knows what's lurking inside the freezers in Putin's Russia though, no one from outside has been allowed to look into that for a long time. Doesn't seem to get mentioned much, certainly didn't get as much odd-ball attention as Ukraine's "biolabs" did at one stage.

Probably all the horrors are carefully stored away + ready to be pulled out if needed given they have hung onto the old Soviet chemical weapons expertise (Novichok) and find a use for that.

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